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SPECULATION Maz's hint

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Klai Kenobi, Jan 9, 2017.

  1. Klai Kenobi

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    I noticed after watching TFA for the 20th time that Maz Kanata (IMO) gives us a bit of info when speaking with Rey alone. She says, 'Dear child. I see your eyes. You already know the truth. Whomever you're waiting for on Jakku... they're never coming back... But... there's someone who still could'. This is basically telling us that Luke was once in her life and could COME BACK meaning be part of her life again? Sorry if someone has probably speculated this, but it's a dead givaway that Luke was in fact in Rey's life at one point. His relation still a mystery.
     
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    I don't think that's what she meant and I don't think that's how most people interpret that. I think it is clear that if the people Rey is waiting for aren't coming back, they aren't coming back. The whole plot of the movie revolves around Luke coming back to the galaxy to fight the forces of evil, that is what was meant.
     
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    That's very subjective. IMO The fact she said there's someone who still COULD after saying they're never coming back means to me that Luke was once in her life or at least was part of the events that led Rey astray or in hiding. I'm also connecting this theory to the significant embrace Rey and Leia had when reunited. Abrams wanted to put such an emphasis on this heartfelt connection between Rey and Leia that he forgot to include Chewbacca. Trust me on that.
     
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    I think that's an interesting take on what she said. I always thought the way she phrased all of that was awkward, but I didn't necessarily take it to mean that Luke was once in her life. But you're right... her wording leaves that possibility open.
     
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    The action is 'coming back', which means that Luke had been there with her in the first place. Language never lies.
     
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    I get what you're saying, but that relies entirely on the possibility of that "someone" being Luke.

    Just for reference Ammianus (since I'm not sure everyone interprets it this way, though I believe it's what you're going for) here's how I read it, with my emphasis in parentheses, though I believed implied by the structure of Maz's statement:

    "Dear child. I see your eyes. You already know the truth. Whomever you're waiting for on Jakku... they're never coming back... But... there's someone who still could (come back)".

    That emphasis is important, because what Maz is saying, if taken literally, is NOT that someone new is going to come into her life, but someone will return to it who was once already involved. Maybe that's obvious, maybe not.

    Furthermore, it points out that who Rey was waiting for on Jakku isn't coming back. But someone else is. So, this person who will supposedly return to her life is seemingly not who left her there, but someone from before she was on Jakku. So, we can assume she wasn't born there.


    Just some thoughts, maybe I'm reading into it too much.
     
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    "Dear child. I see your eyes. You already know the truth. Whomever you're waiting for on Jakku... they're never coming back... But... there's someone who still could (come back)".

    That emphasis is important, because what Maz is saying, if taken literally, is NOT that someone new is going to come into her life, but someone will return to it who was once already involved. Maybe that's obvious, maybe not.


    Yes, this is what I meant (what I pasted just above)
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    If I remember right, Luke disappears before she is left on Jakku. I'm definitely not saying he took part in leaving her there. Just that he is aware of her existence at one point and can COME BACK to her.
    And she actually says 'Luke' after Maz's words.
     
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    Nope, Rey was left on Jakku about 11 years before the start of TFA. Kylo Ren went dark (and Luke went into exile) roughly 5 years beforehand.
     
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    That proves nothing unless you know Rey's exact age. I'm not saying Luke left her there. I'm saying Luke is aware of his niece and was once in her life ;)
     
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    She's 19.

    And it's totally possible, I'm not denying that. Just providing some context for you.
     
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    Interesting, it lines up almost perfectly with the timeline you gave me. 19-11=8-5= 3.

    3 years is more than enough time to start training Rey from birth. :)
     
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    Maybe! Seems kind of young, but I guess she could have at least been a youngling.
     
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    Luke was out of her life before she was old enough to know him as Dad but he was there and he can still come back. He was protecting Rey from Snoke by not being in her life. After what Luke went through, one must understand how Dangerous it would be for any child of his if people knew.

    If for one moment you imagine any of that crap Luke went through really happened in someone's life you would know you could never protect your baby daughter from that much true real evil like Vader and the Emperor.
     
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    I think you're right.
     
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    Protecting her? Kylo Ren went to Jakku and massacred an entire village. Rey could have been among those people. That's some protection! Imagine how ironic the situation could have been....You hide your daughter on a hell planet to protect her from an evil lord, but his apprentice, who happens to be YOUR nephew, kills her without even knowing who she is. Meanwhile you're on a planet that no one can find, in what is probably the safest place in the galaxy. Father of the year! ha ha
     
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    Out of all of the entire galaxy, it was a pretty big coincidence that Rey and Kylo met, assuming that she had been left there to hide from the FO. Obviously the protection failed, but it wasn't a bad strategy.

    Yoda hid in exile on Dagobah until the end of his natural life- worked out pretty well for him, at least in that he wasn't discovered and killed.

    Obi Wan hid out on Tatooine. He did fine until he left the planet and died almost immediately afterward.

    So, to think that sending Rey into exile on Jakku could protect her (regardless of "who" did the sending), I wouldn't say that was necessarily a bad move- just an unlucky one.
     
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    It will remain a mystery till episode 8, we hope.
     
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    IMG_0436.JPG The mark of a good movie is all the talk, theories and speculation it produces. Can't wait for 8!
    My question is why did who ever dropped her off on Jakku give her to Unkar Plutt? Those are clearly his hands and his voice telling her to be quiet.
    How is he connected? Is it just coincidence he ended up with the Falcon?
    He didn't seem to concerned about looking out for her well being when he is only handing out one quarter portions!
     
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    But the theory that Luke lost his powers could be why he's left her and went searching for the first Jedi temple?
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    Don't forget about Max von Sydow. He was also on Jakku and had part of the map to Luke
     
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    Perhaps someone close to Luke dropped her off without Luke knowing. Hence the suprise on Luke's face. :)
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    In the new literature it does become clear that Unkar is looking out for Rey and gives her special privileges and treatment...........but with Unkar there is always a catch.
     
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