More casual fan divide.

They're playing the deflection game. TPTB can't handle the fact that, yeah, there is a large group that didn't like this film. Period. If you did like it, great.

 

And if you didn't like it... that's fine. I don't think less than 30% of hardcore fans and less than 10% of casual fans as a "large group" but your mile may vary.

 

My point is, regardless of the number, there is a group both casual and hardcore viewers, that didn't like it. But if others did, that's fine, too.

 

Yes, there is "a group" that didn't like it. Some of "this group" didn't like it "a lot". There is another "group" that like it. Some of "this group" liked it "a lot". I start having problems when people, with absolutely no overall data, make sweeping statements about "these groups".

TLJ made $1.3B worldwide. Average movie ticket price worldwide for 2017 was $8.97.

So approx 147.9 million people saw TLJ.

Until someone comes up with a statistically reliable way to poll those 147.9 million people, all discussions about rotten tomatoes, IMDB, "what I heard the other day", etc etc etc, are ridiculous.

Yes, some people hated it, and some people liked it.

 

OK. That's all I was saying.

 

Did you say this? "TPTB can't handle the fact that, yeah, there is a large group that didn't like this film. Period. If you did like it, great."

There is no data to back up that statement, it is your opinion.

 

What I'm SAYING there are a lot of people who didn't like the film based on who I've spoken to and communicated with as well as seen on social media.

People liked it, people didn't. Let's drop it.

 

OK I can agree with that, except for the social media part. No way to reliably poll that data. When I look at social media through my perspective I see a lot of people that liked it.

The reason I dug into this is that I hear that argument ("a LOT of people HATED TLJ") over and over and over and over again in thread after thread here.....sorry I just can't take it any more.

 

Fair enough. Let's move on! Don't want to argue with you! ha! ...... Hmmmm... I sense a shopping mall in my future...... future, clouded it is, .. must check it out!

 

I can agree with that!!! LOL!! Thanks!

 

People liked it until RT, plain and simple

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I grew in Minnesota where the North Stars were. Since they moved to Texas, Minnesota doesn’t have a hockey team as far as I’m concerned.

 

Let's put it another way. TLJ made only 300 million more then "that so called terrible" TPM despite almost 20 years of inflation.

I think that "so called sizable group" is bigger than u think.

 

Yeah, what's with the "only this percentage of the fans didn't like it" being thrown around like it's gospel fact? There's no denying that TLJ was divisive and I think that "small percentage of fans" might be way bigger than anyone thinks. Only time will tell. If Episode 9 makes millions less than TLJ then I think it's a safe bet that the damage has been done. We'll see if the "I'm done with Star Wars and am boycotting all future movies" crowd really means it or their anger over TLJ will cool by December 2019.

 

I get that there aren't any metrics that are completely perfect, but when you have large groups confirmed to have targeted the film with negative ratings, I think the "Audience Score" can't be taken as an accurate reflection of how the general populace feels.

That being said, thanks for sharing, @Sparafucile!

Interesting to see how other people think- and I'm kind of amazed that a hockey forum went almost ninety pages deep in a Star Wars thread!

I think that it is important that Disney and LFL keep this backlash, however large or small in mind when going forward- obviously it's asinine to think they'd ever decanonize TLJ, but they can at least try to keep all of the fanbase in mind when making future movies. Even if I liked TLJ, I want Star Wars to remain a good name in general.

 

You'd be surprised in other fandoms where the focus isn't Star Wars. I belong to a BioWare (unofficial) fan forum and that has over 300 pages (started August 2016). To me, casual means that they'll go see-hate or like and move on. They won't go to a forum and talk about it afterwards. So, it's hard to tell what the casual fan thinks about it. I feel like I'm in the minority. There's only one person in that thread that likes it. Keep in mind, it's a small community that actually post in it, but I would say there is not even 20 people in that thread that post in it consistently.

 

the most telling evidence that the casual fandom is divided will be episode 9 and that will still be flimsy...

for instance what if Luke comes back and is put all over of the trailers with his green lightsaber, or it is revealed that snoke has a force ghost(thus nulifying the 2 most controversial elements of TLJ), any box office increase over TLJ will be because of luke in the minds of ST haters

What if it actually declines from TLJ...any decline will be seen as proof that the ST characters are not working and thus try to push a narrative that fin, poe, and rey are not working as characters.

expect a lot of racist, sexist and fascist to come out of the woodwork either way

i would not be suprised that on one side people buy multiple tickets and the other sabotage the review score or intimidate critics out of spite and not love.