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Mortis is Canon, thoughts?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Clone Wars' started by ekg, Oct 16, 2014.

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    I generally like The Clone Wars a lot. I think it adds a lot to the PT timeline. But seriously, the fact that the Mortis arc is canon seriously bugs me. Like way more than medichlorians ever did. Thoughts?
     
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    What problems do you have with Mortis? I thought it was a bit unorthodox for SW, but that's sort of why I liked it.
     
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    I probably should explain myself. I don't like the idea of the force being explained away. I don't like the idea of the problems in the SW galaxy stemming from a family squabble of all powerful greek force gods. Its, like you said, unorthodox. I can deal with medichlorians. I can deal with yoda in season six going to force planets and seeing those ghostly guys and darth bane and qui gon. It really comes down to the anthropomorphic deities to me. it makes the universe feel like its the puppets of these three beings we will never see again, rather than being truly affected by anything anakin, the emperor, obi wan, yoda, luke can do to change it. If those episodes are canon, which they are, those deities are back there witnessing the climax in ROTJ. it just smacks me as odd.
     
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    I thought it was all a vision or something.
     
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    Maybe I need to rewatch it. I hope so.
     
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    Yeah, I never took it that they were actually gods. More like some sort of alien life form that saw themselves as gods. Super strong with the force and what not, but not the actual force gods of the SW universe. But I only watched it once. So I could be wrong.

    Another tactic that I take with TCW and Rebels is to not take the canon there so seriously. To reconcile very different tones of the cartoons and movies, I look at them as a story being told about that time. Certain aspects may be embellished, or motivations simplified. I imagine it as if C3P0 is telling the story of what happened to a bunch of kids 300 years into the future so that may all the details and dialogue aren’t perfect, and some of the darker aspects toned down for the kids. For me, this allows me to see the major events and races and planets as canon, without having to reconcile things like Zero the Hutt or Ezras slingshot as true canon.

    But that’s just my take. (Coincidentally, the same approach works if you are one of those people that can’t reconcile why the Hobbit movies are so much more unrealistic than the LOTR movies. It’s all a story, that’s why trolls can talk now.)
     
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    I can get behind that reading of it. I see what you're saying about Ezra's Slingshot, but Zero the Hutt is so absurd I like him.
     
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    3PO telling the Star Wars movie story to kids 300 years in the future was in a non-canon comic I think lol
     
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    Really? Well someone should tell him he's remembering the Mortis arc wrong so @ekg can rest easier.
     
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    I won't sleep until this happens.
     
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    There are different levels of canon.

    By that I mean that all future Star Wars movies will draw much more heavily from some canonical items than from others. Yes, Asokah is canon, but does anybody really expect her to play a role as important as Han Solo in the coming movies?

    The OT movies are what we could call canon prime. Those are primary sources for inspiration for the ST. The PT movies probably rank above the Clone Wars series, but not as highly as the OT movies. The PT is still canon, but don't look for a Captain Panaka spinoff movie, even though he probably got as much screen time as Boba Fett.

    After the OT and the PT come the cartoons. Yes, Rebels and Clone Wars are canon, but not to the extent the box office movies are. I would be really surprised to hear a reference to the destruction of the Malevolent in the coming movie.

    And even within the Clone Wars series, some episodes and story arcs are probably more canonical than others. I would be mildly surprised to hear the name Rush Clovis, that banking clan dude who was crushin' on Padme, but Mortis? Not gunna happen. Sorry, but that story arc only qualifies as the loosest definition of canon. Expect references to Darth Plageius but not Mortis.
     
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    The whole point of the legends purge was to make one unified canon. So either something is canon or it is not. There are no degrees of canon anymore (which was sort of silly in the first place since either something is genuine or it's not, there is no in between).

    As you say, future movies may reference some aspects more than others, but from a story standpoint everything in the PT clone wars and rebels did happen in the sw universe. So it is canon. I just choose to believe that some of the more juvenile aspects of the cartoons are exaggeration a of the truth. But they are still canonical.
     
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    Only a Sith deals in absolutes! ;)
     
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    I've just re-watched these episodes and I had a strong Star Trek V feeling - the Son wanting to take a starship to exit the planet and all...
     
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    Those were both great reads, Echo. Makes me wish I had been part of this online community back when it was posted. A more civilized age.
     
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    I just rewatched the Mortis Trilogy so I could contribute something sort of intelligent to this thread. ekg, allow me to address your concerns.

    Mortis is canon in the sense that The Clone Wars is canon, but it never took place. Rex and the clones lost contact with the Jedi for only a moment when they all showed up at the rendezvous point, but the events of the Mortis arc take place over hours, possibly even days. Rex and Anakin couldn't see each other's ships on their scanners, even though they were at the same coordinates. Wherever the Jedi were for that moment, it wasn't in the galaxy far, far away. The Father warns twice, once to Anakin and once to Obi, that if the Son escapes he will upset the balance of the Force "in YOUR galaxy."

    So they weren't in time or space or in the Galaxy. I could speculate about other realities, multiple dimensions or alternate universes but that's not the point. The very fact that what takes place in those three episodes takes place outside the rest of the Galaxy is the only clue we need. ROTJ wasn't a proxy war between distant Greek-like gods. Those gods don't exist in the Star Wars Galaxy.
     
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    Canon? You mean this?
    Planet_Defender.png
     
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    Exactly, Tom. A cannon just like that.
     
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