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Mr Plinkett Talks About Rogue One

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by SKB, Dec 28, 2016.

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    Ha ha ha the end had me laughing out loud, Mr. Plinkett needs to make videos where he does nothing but read comments in his "I'm about to drop dead" voice.
     
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    Pure speculation.
     
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    it is all speculation, but i have to say i "feel" like there's potential truth in this. i think early feedback had people not liking Jyn, but liking Cassian. i feel like the ending is so less deliberate than the rest of the movie: that Jyn and Cassian up on the transmission station did not feel organic at all. i think it's telling that the "i rebel" line was not actually in the movie, and that yes, Cassian saves Jyn in the final moments (unbelievable after all the "female hero" discussions since TFA came out).

    it'll be interesting to learn if there were significant changes because of problems with the characters.
     
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    Remember, it's a Disney movie! It's not dark.. they lightened the tone. Those evil corporate execs stole Gareth's original vision.. and made it Family Friendly!

    This is Family Friendly!

    L.. M.. F.. A.. O..

    Remember, the customer is always right.. always..
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    Having previously worked in a shop, I can safely say the customer is almost always wrong. ;)
     
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    The reason Mr. Plinkett has issues with this movie is the same reason why kids have issues with their dad's new girlfriend after his parents get divorced. There is a feeling of disloyalty for liking something new. We have had 30 years to absorb the original Star Wars movies, and watched them during a different time in our lives, before we were jaded and grew cynical. One cannot go to another new Star Wars movie expecting the same feelings or magic that we felt from the originals, but you can appreciate what they add to the story. If Mr. Plinkett were to watch ESB today with his cynical eyes, he would demolish it with statements like he did with R1, like the cheesy Wampa effects, and the at times cringy dialogue between Han and Leia, and who is this bounty hunter which they did not explain who he was, or why didn't Lando show more emotion for his friend?! Any film can be criticized for the same complaints.
     
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    While this is all speculation I believe there is certainly some truth about it. I dont know what kind of character was Jyn originally, but I think in the final movie she is not even the lead. The real lead is the rebellion itself. Hope, trust and sacrifice become the main thread and not Jyn Erso.
    In fact if I had to name the main lead of the movie I'd rather say its Cassian. Jyn was pretty much in just becase she's related to someone important.

    Well we've seen Cassian somewhere near the vault in the celebration reel, but yeah, who knows. She might've finished the job alone.
    Im pretty certain the reshots only concerned the characters and the action scene, but certainly not the tone.

    Silly arguments like this:
    Are 100% false, based on the final version of the movie.
     
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    And thus the reason I asked everyone to question why it took 10 months for so much as a response to TFA and now two responses in 15 days to R1.
    You, sir, nailed it on the head.:cool:
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    This pretty much sums it up. That's what I enjoyed so much about the movie. While the characters in the film are certainly heroes for their actions, they are closer to what heroes in real wars are like. The people who sacrifice themselves for the cause. They don't get as many witty one liners and things don't always work out OK for them. It certainly presents a stark contrast from the main films.

    I think that is a strength of the film. Others may not feel the same way, and that's OK. Just keep in mind that Rogue One was going for something completely different with its characters. I feel that most Star Wars fans will appreciate it more if they aren't trying to force it into the same mold as the other films, which coincidentally, is exactly what RLM are doing.

    I don't think the fact that it's going for something different shields it from all criticism of course, but some folks like RLM are coming from a place where they want it to be just like every other Star Wars movie. That is a bad place to start from IMO.
     
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    Anyone else think Mr. Plinkett is nothing more than a closet fanboy. He can’t get over his obsession with Star Wars. He hates the prequels but spends so much time analyzing every frame of it he obviously has a secret love for them. If he really hated the prequels he would’ve just moved on but he makes three overlong videos recycling the same criticism that’s been addressed about those films from the day they came out, which is ironic considering how much he accuses Lucas of recycling old ideas. The only critic who seems to be unimpressed with him is Drew McWeeny.
     
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    Thus the word previous.:cool:
     
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    Yes, I found them very dull.

    No, you can give characters depth (or at least an approximation of depth) in a stand alone movie. In fact, Disney grew their empire by getting viewers emotionally attached to characters in 90 minutes or less. This movie didn't do it for me. I was not interested in the characters and just found myself not caring whether they lived or died. Obviously many people disagree with this, and that's fine. Or maybe most Star Wars fans don't care about emotional connection with the characters, I don't know.

    Again, I agree with this.

    I thought the movie was... fine. There was just nothing there for me to love. I agreed with most of what RLM said in their review. But I think maybe I and the RLM crew love Star Wars in completely different ways from most Star Wars fans.
     
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    Usually much more contained movies with less going in overall. Also usually dressed up as cute animals. Which instantaneously boosts attachment.

    It's okay it didn't do it for you.

    But in a movie with 7 or 8 "leads" I didn't expect much time with a specific one. Do I think they could have done more? Of course. But without sacrificing much else to avoid a bloated run time? Not really something I think could have been achieved without the boosted run time.
     
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    Did you see the movie 13 Hours? It was a war movie and it was stand alone with lots of characters. It wasn't a great movie either, but I think they did a much better job of creating that attachment and simulating a "real person". In just a few quick scenes they were able to give you an attachment to each character. Quick flashbacks of dialog with a wife, their bonding with one another, the way they interacted with their boss. I'm pretty sure Rogue One tried to do this, I just don't think they were very successful. People are free to disagree, but I just never felt like Jyn or Cassian were real.

    Saving Private Ryan, Full Metal Jacket, any number of great war films are mainly great not because of "awesome battle sequences" but because you believe in the characters, therefore the war just feels more real.
     
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    Because they are real people?

    SPR and FMJ are also character studies into people.
    Rogue One is a narrative driven movie. It's more about how the war/rebellion brings them together than who they are.
     
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    There may be a few people who do that, but I think you have to accept that there are some people who don't like every single thing that is stamped with the name Star Wars. They probably have reasons and they're probably not any less passionate than you. They just like Star Wars for different reasons. Man, I love lightsabers and X-Wings and all that stuff, but that is only a small part of what makes Star Wars to me. I love the sense of adventure and the lovable heroes. This movie didn't have that for me. TFA absolutely did, and because of that I forgive it for an unoriginal story. But please understand we have real reasons for liking and disliking things. It's okay, we can disagree.
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    13 Hours was a narrative driven movie too. I thought it did a pretty good job with the characters.
     
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    Wow, I think I might need to go to the hospital for some antivenin, this sentence was so venomous.

    Also, nice job trying to position yourself as an expert of cinema with an elitist "the only people who could enjoy this film are comic book movie peons" argument. Need help getting down off of that horse you're on? I've seen the original The Manchurian Candidate and thought it was brilliant. I geeked out over watching the most recent restoration of Metropolis. I love Hitchcock movies. I think Michael Bay has become a blight upon the industry. And I really enjoyed this movie.

    Do I detect a scent of burning straw?
     
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    I didn’t find Jynn and Cassian dull at all. I thought they were good characters. There could have been more bonding but ultimately, the end result of the film left me feeling for them and what they risked for the rebellion. When you mean dull, do you mean just somber? I think the tone is key to judging this film. Jynn is a dour character coming from a tough childhood. She has been on her own since her father was taken by the Empire. She also watched her mother get killed.

    She’ is out for herself and doesn’t trust people during these dark times, having been raised by rebels and outlaws such as extremists as Saw Gerrera. She is trying to escape the good fight and is forced back into it by the enlightenment of her father’s decision to defect. She goes from being a cynical warrior to a woman who believe in the notion of hope to defeat the oppressor. She sacrifices her life to give the Rebel Alliance a chance at defeating the Empire. Somehow idiot Plunkett thinks that it’s a joke.

    She’s not a flashy character and doesn’t have one liners like Rey and Finn. So what? I would rather the film had a consistent storyline that was focused than a film with a series of gimmicks and almost borderline parodies of better films that its trying so hard to emulate *cough* .

    Compare Erso to Rey. Rey is more likable character, in the sense she has is flashier. Jynn is a more believable character. Why? Rey can do everything....because she can.....Jynn is not that gifted. She has flaws and has a more relatable storyline. Rey is able to get out of a situation no matter what, this makes it hard to relate to her and ultimately makes those scenes tense free. Why is it that she can suddenly beat Kylo Ren at the mind reading game? What did she do differently? We don’t know, another ridiculous mystery box Abrams left us for no reason other than force us back into the theater and come up with pointless theories online(I am guilty of both).

    Erso is a fearless woman and we know where she comes from. We understand her backstory. We don’t know ANYTHING about Rey, which is frustrating. People say we didn’t know anything about Luke Skywalker but that’s wrong. We knew enough about Luke in a New Hope, he’s an orphaned farm boy who dreams of being space pilot in the rebellion and whose father was a fierce warriors that fought in the clone wars. There was no who is Luke or is this person maybe that person in reality, it was a nice little surprise that he was the son of Vader because we got a full experience from the first film.

    What do we know about Rey? She’s a lost scavenger who wants to wait for her family and can do everything because.................well I guess she’s naturally gifted. She’s a flawless person. She then decides to take care of a soccer ball droid because she likes him I guess and then runs into a random stormtrooper who defects. We don’t know why but she decides to take the BB8 to the resistance. After escaping an army of cgi tentacles and miraculously maneuvering the Milennium Falcon, along with meeting a 70 year old smuggler, she decides he’s the father she never had, after meeting him for about ten minutes. She goes to a random club owned by an old woman alien who reuses lines from previous movies about the force. For no reason, she then discovers she may have a destiny because she touched a lightsaber no one who would know or care about unless we saw the previous movies. Now old woman-yoda tells her she needs to take the lightsaber but she decides to run away from the saber because....we don’t know, we just have to wait for the next episode to figure out what those visions really meant for our characters. But she then gets captured by the enemy but that doesn’t matter cause she escapes anyways and then apparently engages in a fierce lightsaber duel without any training, as far we know, and can beat the blast out of a whiny emo Sith, who does have training, because she thought about the force.

    Cassian is a soldier and captain who has been in the fight since he was six years old. He is a bitter man who makes questionable decisions but ultimately does have a heart. He shoots to kill and will do anything for the cause he is serving. When forced with the decision whether to kill Galen Erso, a potential enemy, the man who did help design the deadliest weapon that is a big threat to the Rebellion, he choses not to pull the trigger despite being given strict orders by his commanding officer, out of compassion and hope that there is a better way of defeating evil Palpy.

    Sorry who said Rogue One lacked memorable characters?
     
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    From @SWNN Probe :
    "The scene with Cassian’s introduction with the spy, Bodhi traipsing through Jedha on his way to see Saw, these are things that were added. Also Jyn [Jyn Erso, the reluctant leader of the film, played by Felicity Jones], how we set her up and her escape from the transporter, that was all done to set up the story better. So having her in prison and then a prison break out, with Cassian on a mission… everybody was a bit more ballsy, or a bit more exciting, and a bit more interesting."

    I CALLED IT!!

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    While I don't think they would criticize ESB in the way you state, I still agree on the concept. Fanboy movies are tough to review sometimes because they can add to the mythology of a franchise while also being mediocre or downright bad - plenty of people can extrapolate what I'm referencing there lol. I find it hard to judge TPM, ROTS and ROTJ sometimes, and RO isn't much different but does enough for the franchise (DS plans & weakness, Vader, kyber crystals, Whills, ambiguity of the Rebels and bureaucratic infighting) that its character development and other more small flaws can get glossed over to a subjective extent because of good performances and visuals. It forces an even more nuanced opinion about a film when its part of a favorite fanboy franchise.

    RLM approaches it as burned fanboys from the PT, which is their schtick, and it can be fun sometimes, I still enjoy them even if I vehemently disagree with them on RO. And we cannot expect ESB and ANH level consensus - those films are just incredible both historically and for the franchise.
     
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