1. Notification emails are working properly again. Please check your email spam folder and if you see any emails from the Cantina there, make sure to mark them as "Not Spam". This will help a lot to whitelist the emails and to stop them going to spam.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. IMPORTANT! To be able to create new threads and rate posts, you need to have at least 30 posts in The Cantina.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Before posting a new thread, check the list with similar threads that will appear when you start typing the thread's title.
    Dismiss Notice

Mr Plinkett's Last Jedi Review

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Adam812, Sep 1, 2018.

  1. Pawek_13

    Pawek_13 Jedi General

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2016
    Posts:
    3,384
    Likes Received:
    15,547
    Trophy Points:
    144,707
    Credits:
    13,902
    Ratings:
    +20,426 / 71 / -32
    *fandom calls out Mike Zeroh for being a fraud*
    The fans:


    *Rian Johnson calls out Mike zeroh for being a fraud*
    The fans:
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Wise Wise x 1
    • Unoriginal Unoriginal x 1
  2. p03

    p03 Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2014
    Posts:
    2,039
    Likes Received:
    5,005
    Trophy Points:
    12,377
    Credits:
    7,189
    Ratings:
    +6,761 / 173 / -108
    Zeroh is annoying with his bs and makes me role my eyes with the utter rubbish that comes out of his mouth. Rian is nasty , belittles and makes things personal.

    Neither I hold up with greatest of respects but at least Zeroh is doing it out of love the other is doing it to ridicule.
     
    • Like Like x 4
  3. Wolfpack

    Wolfpack Rebel General

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2018
    Posts:
    685
    Likes Received:
    1,229
    Trophy Points:
    4,842
    Credits:
    1,429
    Ratings:
    +1,763 / 112 / -36
    I thought this review was even funnier than the Plinkett review - albeit this one was unintentionally funny. It literally gives examples of great movies which have beloved heroes doing great things, then talks about how great TLJ is because it didn't do any of those things that great movies do.

    "A great movie has great characters and heroes being heroic! But look how great TLJ is for subverting expectations and giving you crappy characters and crappy heroes doing crappy things!! Genius!!"
     
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  4. AstromechRecords

    AstromechRecords Jedi General

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2015
    Posts:
    16,703
    Likes Received:
    14,770
    Trophy Points:
    148,277
    Credits:
    19,297
    Ratings:
    +25,977 / 844 / -252
    it was so soothing to hear that I fell asleep listening to it.
    --- Double Post Merged, Sep 4, 2018, Original Post Date: Sep 4, 2018 ---
    With this Mr. Plinkett guy, he is really not taking it too seriously when it comes to his reviews...sort of like a satire
    --- Double Post Merged, Sep 4, 2018 ---
    .
     
  5. Background Character

    Background Character Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2015
    Posts:
    436
    Likes Received:
    1,070
    Trophy Points:
    6,042
    Credits:
    2,084
    Ratings:
    +1,924 / 88 / -62
    So you wanted a movie that was safe, predictable, formulaic, and derivative?

    The film gave us characters that were a lot more realistic, interesting and relatable than flawless supermen. If you wanted a paint-by-numbers hero movie, yeah, you would've been disappointed. I'm kind of ready for something different.
     
    • Like Like x 4
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
  6. metadude

    metadude Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2018
    Posts:
    243
    Likes Received:
    392
    Trophy Points:
    1,637
    Credits:
    695
    Ratings:
    +638 / 11 / -5
    There may be an amount of satire in the character, but the reviews are generally the same as the ones Mike actually gives in the actual review videos. So I'm confident his thoughts on the actual "faults" and such are genuinely coming out of his brain, then being presented in a characterization which is a kind of "brand name" and will get more clicks; more clicks = more $$$. Which, I don't blame the guys for doing what they do, man's gotta eat after all. What I don't like is that, really, it's just meaningless rhetoric that feeds discord. But the rhetoric is just that and if he can state the rhetoric, I'm sure Mike doesn't mind it if I rebut the rhetoric. Even if the rhetoric is "honest" in the sense he actually thinks what he's saying makes sense, and is some kind of meaningful monologue.

    But as with the Star Trek montage, it doesn't make sense and has the opposite meaning. That montage is (again) taken out of context and actually supports Holdo's case in TLJ. That being that Picard is asking for input from his senior highly-trusted staff in that montage. To Holdo, Poe is not Riker or Data or Geordi or Worf or Troi or Crusher or any of those highly-trusted senior staff members in the montage. To Holdo, Poe is - if anyone - like a Tom Paris or Rho Laren prior to any establishment considered "highly trustworthy senior staff". If Rho Laren just ignored the orders of a Starfleet admiral, got demoted for her actions, then started demanding Picard let her in on what his plans were - Picard would serve her a heaping helping of the House Specialty Picard Dress-Down platter culminating with the words "don't give a damn about your apprehensions concerning my ability to direct these affairs without either your knowledge or approval. Dismissed!" as Riker stood at the side giving her the Riker-eye, and the audience (including Mike and Rich) would be chalking it up as another reason that "Picard is the best captain." But Holdo does something far less stringent and suddenly, it's something that should never ever be done and Holdo is a bad leader.

    In the end it's all just blatant hypocrisy. And you know how I feel about hypocrisy.
     
    #26 metadude, Sep 5, 2018
    Last edited: Sep 5, 2018
    • Like Like x 3
  7. eeprom

    eeprom Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2016
    Posts:
    1,605
    Likes Received:
    3,710
    Trophy Points:
    11,717
    Credits:
    3,749
    Ratings:
    +5,647 / 30 / -9
    I really couldn't agree more with that point. That was my exact response to that segment. Picard wouldn't be polling input from some stranger who just rejected a direct order and got a bunch of people killed. And even if that does make Holdo a bad leader, it doesn't make her a bad character. That whole critique is about as moot a non sequitur as you can get. But it's an opinion coming from a homicidal cartoon character. I'm not sure how serious it's all supposed to be taken.
     
  8. Meister Yoda

    Meister Yoda Your Little Green Friend

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2015
    Posts:
    520
    Likes Received:
    20,456
    Trophy Points:
    147,152
    Credits:
    25,700
    Ratings:
    +21,417 / 3 / -1
    Wait a moment, I thought the force is female. Hux is female too?
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
    • Like Like x 1
    • Cute Cute x 1
  9. Rayjefury

    Rayjefury Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2016
    Posts:
    2,058
    Likes Received:
    3,068
    Trophy Points:
    10,967
    Credits:
    3,937
    Ratings:
    +4,748 / 97 / -16
    Two very good observations. I was able to appreciate something he said in particular about the diminished tension due to the fact that people could come and go (almost at will) in between the ships involved in this chase that was supposed to be life and death. To me I saw this as a derivative issue of story points and arcs not well chosen. Example, he wanted Rey with Luke, but then he wanted Rey to be with Kylo. Wanted Finn on a mission, had to be able to leave the chase ship, wanted Finn to confront Phasma (let's ignore that mechanism by which he runs into her on a ship that size) he has to get on the ship. Smaller ships run along with the Raddus and, upon "running out of fuel" escape to Raddus. Then they have ships escaping under scanning cloak to Crait. Like escape is everywhere, it is hard to get the sense that they are trapped when every around them during the whole movie people are coming and going pretty freely. It really wasn't thought out well in those terms IMO.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  10. KeithF1138

    KeithF1138 Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2017
    Posts:
    692
    Likes Received:
    1,762
    Trophy Points:
    5,767
    Credits:
    2,093
    Ratings:
    +2,355 / 33 / -12
    Zeroh is doing it for clicks and views to make $. Nothing more.
     
  11. Bandini

    Bandini Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2015
    Posts:
    4,633
    Likes Received:
    5,050
    Trophy Points:
    14,767
    Credits:
    8,306
    Ratings:
    +9,489 / 438 / -116
    And he's different from other youtubers ?

    They all do this, commenting rumours, theories and stuff ...
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Wise Wise x 1
  12. p03

    p03 Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2014
    Posts:
    2,039
    Likes Received:
    5,005
    Trophy Points:
    12,377
    Credits:
    7,189
    Ratings:
    +6,761 / 173 / -108
    And what is the harm in that? I have never claimed Zeroh to be an angel, I know he spouts utter rubbish. Do I like that? No I don't and it does irritate me. But does Zeroh make things personal? Has he ever insulted people? He's a harmless fan and perhaps gave TLJ a large range of free publicity which the director of that film made fun of him personally. That's not nice, RJ is no gentleman. Sure he's had a lot of crap thrown at him, yes that's hard but don't bring Zeroh into battles that doesn't involve him.
     
    • Like Like x 3
    • Wise Wise x 1
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
  13. Jack_Forest

    Jack_Forest Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2018
    Posts:
    733
    Likes Received:
    2,723
    Trophy Points:
    7,917
    Credits:
    2,142
    Ratings:
    +3,420 / 27 / -12
    MIke Zeroh presents his info as facts he recieved from legitimate sources. That's different from commenting rumours, theories etc.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  14. lealt

    lealt Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2016
    Posts:
    1,048
    Likes Received:
    1,671
    Trophy Points:
    6,417
    Credits:
    2,396
    Ratings:
    +2,652 / 20 / -5
    That is why I don’t take him seriously.
    And that is why an accomplished director should not spend a word on him.
    Not to mention, that whatever we may think about MZ sure he never insulted RJ or anyone else.
    RJ’s tweet was classless at best.
    He’s a 40 years old man, the director of a SW movie, yet he tweeted a meme about a guy seeking attention on YouTube. It was... a sad thing to do and I’m glad he canceled that tweet.
    And from this pov, I must say that to me MZ not addressing at all this incident proved himself
    to be far more mature as a person and a true gentleman in comparison.
     
    • Like Like x 4
    • Wise Wise x 1
  15. Jack_Forest

    Jack_Forest Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2018
    Posts:
    733
    Likes Received:
    2,723
    Trophy Points:
    7,917
    Credits:
    2,142
    Ratings:
    +3,420 / 27 / -12
    So, MZ makes up outright lies about RJ and he is a "far more mature person and a true gentleman" in comparison to RJ, who was lied about and who called the lier out for it? Ok.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  16. lealt

    lealt Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2016
    Posts:
    1,048
    Likes Received:
    1,671
    Trophy Points:
    6,417
    Credits:
    2,396
    Ratings:
    +2,652 / 20 / -5
    Those rumors may be 100% false. Let’s say they are indeed. Still MZ wasn’t the one starting them.
    And even if he was... I cannot imagine Spielberg or Lucas or any A class director doing the same not with
    the Hollywood Reporter, Variety or the CNN... but with a guy with 2000 subscribers on YouTube.
    That’s the point.
     
    • Like Like x 3
    • Wise Wise x 1
  17. Jack_Forest

    Jack_Forest Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2018
    Posts:
    733
    Likes Received:
    2,723
    Trophy Points:
    7,917
    Credits:
    2,142
    Ratings:
    +3,420 / 27 / -12
    Guys with 100,000+ Youtube subscribers, like MZ, can do a lot of harm. Today they are spreading rumors that somebody is fired, tomorrow it could be anything.
    As for Rian Johnson - "fans" keep harassing him for month and now that he finally replied to something, he is suddenly a bully. RJ was taking "fan criticism" surprisingly well all this time and for that alone he deserves way more respect, than some YT people, who have nothing better to do with their lives than spead false rumours.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  18. Bandini

    Bandini Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2015
    Posts:
    4,633
    Likes Received:
    5,050
    Trophy Points:
    14,767
    Credits:
    8,306
    Ratings:
    +9,489 / 438 / -116
    He weirdly didn"t come after Mark Hamill when he tweeted that he had no clue why Luke acted like this in the last movie.

    [​IMG]

    But going after a defenseless guy is way easier than going after someone like Hamill ...
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
    • Clouded Clouded x 1
  19. Too Bob Bit

    Too Bob Bit Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2018
    Posts:
    284
    Likes Received:
    4,186
    Trophy Points:
    13,467
    Credits:
    1,145
    Ratings:
    +4,586 / 5 / -0
    How are they even the same?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  20. Bandini

    Bandini Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2015
    Posts:
    4,633
    Likes Received:
    5,050
    Trophy Points:
    14,767
    Credits:
    8,306
    Ratings:
    +9,489 / 438 / -116
    Well, I do agree, Hamill's tweet is far more offensive than Zeroh's supposed fake news.

    Can't wait for the Tweet : I barely know him. Saw him a couple of times in the camera, never talked to him. Bad actor, worst I've ever seen. Sad!
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Wise Wise x 1
Loading...

Share This Page