MSW Leaks so far: A hint of what's to come for the KoR?

I'm not sure Thrawn would have much broad appeal. It's a cool character but no one wants to see a trilogy about a bad guy. How many movies... or even trilogies are about a villain?

 

Well, in SW we have two trilogies explicitly about Darth Vader (according to GL)! But I agree. I didn't mean an actual trilogy ABOUT Thrawn -- he's not that interesting -- no, I meant they should hold off on Thrawn for now and use him as the main villain in a separate project. (I still think there could be room for a "Thrawn trilogy" set in the years after the Battle of Endor, playing on the Heir to the Empire series).

 

The problem with this is that at the end of Rebel’s it appears that it is still not known where the Pergill took Ezra and Thrawn after the end of the Galactic Civil War. It does not appear that Thrawn is around during that time period.

 

I liked the trilogy as it went along. The first book was.... yeah, the first book. The rest of it was much better.

However, as a fan of sci-fi and fantasy, I just can't consider Chuck to be "great." I know this is gonna sound nit-picky, but I hate the fact that the term "great" is thrown around so often. For example: I love the Drizzt books by R.A. Salvatore. But is he great? No way, not even close.

Frank Herbert: Great. Dune is just amazing.
Arthur C. Clarke: Great.
Tolkien: Great.
George R.R. Martin: Great.
Katherine Kurtz: Great. Her Deryni novels were amazing and ground breaking.

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Yeah, for me that is disappointing. I love Rebels but I love the episodes that are less "kid oriented" if that makes sense. I really like Johnson's Looper and while I despise TLJ, part of me was interested in seeing what he could do without the baggage associated with a. a Saga film and b. doing the MIDDLE film in said saga. I still take the idea of a Johnson trilogy with a grain of salt, as blast happens, especially in Hollywood. I'd love to see him do a noir dealing with the criminal element, but oh well.

Maybe. But like I said above, Johnson with a film noir Star Wars underworld could be pretty cool.

 

Knights Of ren Ehaaaaa ..

 

Nice I hope the C3PO's memory thing is real. It would give some context and weight to the rather arbitrary mind wipe line in RotS.

 

That 3PO thing sounds very interesting!

 

Five years on from TFA and still nothing rules out Plagueis nor makes it any less the best way forward for this trilogy.
He provides the only means of continuity for the entire saga, linking everything back to Darth Vader and the theme of balance.
He's as easy to provide exposition for as any new big-bad character. Easier in fact. And would have powers beyond anything we have seen before.

Going by these "leaks", my guess is that both factions discover, as a continuation of Finn's conversation with DJ, that this whole conflict is being controlled
and fuelled by secret sources - and are trying to seek out the source. My view is that Plagueis has sought to keep the galaxy in conflict, rather than seek peace - either through dark or light side rule. It is this conflict that empowers the dark side. As stated at the beginning of Revenge of the Sith: War! Evil is everywhere.

When there is conflict, even those on the light commit dark acts. There is fear and hatred everywhere. This empowers Plagueis and probably helps him to reach his
goal of ABSOLUTE POWER. Not just over death but the Force itself. And his means and resources are limitless.

He once used Palpatine to take over the galaxy, whilst through design or accident, bringing about the creation of an all-powerful, Force born entity - Anakin Skywalker.
Plagueis' plan was to use Palpatine and Anakin to do his dirty work and sow the seeds of an eternal galactic war. He faked his demise at the hands of Palpatine and retreated to the shadows, amassing power in the UNKNOWN REGIONS, while his apprentice took over the galaxy. Perhaps we will learn that Plagueis helped the Rebellion during the events of the OT so to keep the conflict going? That would be an interesting twist that would then alter what appeared to be a definitive ending in Return of the Jedi and a sudden restart with the ST.

Now however, perhaps we begin IX with the potential for peace. Perhaps the war has been long fought and both sides are diminished or the Resistance is winning and the FO's game is nearly up? Enter Plagueis. With no time to replace Snoke and Ren being as conflicted as ever, Plagueis has to come out of the shadows and leads his forces into destroying the Resistance and FO to ensure there is no peace. It's dangerous for him as he isn't yet all powerful and the Jedi live - as does the blood of the chosen one, Kylo - who along with Rey seems to have the potential to be more powerful than anyone else. This then requires the two factions, the FO and Resistance to join forces vs Plagueis - thus providing a means to truly end the cycle of conflict in the galaxy.

 

In ROTS, Yoda states, "A prophecy that misread could have been." Some like to debate whether Anakin or Luke was The Chosen One, meaning there was only one. But I tend to think there are multiple Chosen Ones over time. In TLJ, Snoke states, "Darkness rises and the light to meet it." It seems this cycle has happened many times throughout history where a Chosen One materializes to combat the Dark Side and bring back balance to the Force.

 

Sure, that's fine but it's just easier to avoid "chosen one" prophecies in general.

 

The Plagean Inuisition still strong I see.

He is still just ashes in a lost urn.

 

5 years on from TFA and nothing at all has changed about your wacky theories, @master_shaitan

They won't introduce Tweedledee after killing off Tweedledum.
Plagueis and Snoke are very much similar characters that could be easily mistaken. It would confuse the audience so I'm ruling it out...

But that doesn't mean I'm ruling out the return of Tweedledum...

 

In what way is the character Snoke similar to the character Plagueis (that has yet been depicted)?

We do however have questions about a seemingly mortally wounded being like Snoke could've survived such injuries...

"He could save others from death..."

Plagueis can be anyone, with any backstory and any appearance. Yet still connect the trilogies and provide a rational and intelligent continuation to the story.

#TweedledumLives

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Aren't we all...aren't we all...

 

Seems logical to me that the threat from beyond is just going to be Snoke's "people". And, naturally, they are going to be pretty pi**ed that their envoy in the galaxy far, far away has been killed...
My bet is that beyond - whatever it is, another galaxy/realm/dimension - will be revealed to be the source of darkness in the GFFA.

Retrieving something from 3PO's memory seems like an interesting idea. But it seems a bit off - to me, a wipe is a wipe, not a "remove but make a convenient back up..."
Also, is there anything 3PO might know that R2 - who didn't have his memory erased - doesn't also know?
I thought that was part of the whole point of the mind wipe line being added to ROTS - how come 3PO doesn't act as if he remembers any of this in the OT? Answer: he had his memory erased. So how come R2 didn't have his memory erased too? Answer: Well, how can we prove he isn't actually aware of exactly what is going on and what is at stake in the OT...

I thought it was all part of this idea Lucas always had that R2 was eventually going to be the one who recounted the whole adventure to future generations, and he intentionally left it explicit that only the protocol droid had his memory erased because it is then ambiguous as to whether R2 is just a droid going about doing droid things or whether he is aware and working to a greater purpose as the saga progresses...

Either way, it suggests to me that if something from 3PO's memory is important then maybe R2 becomes an early casualty in this movie.
Or maybe that is the thing that Rey figures out with the McGuffin - that R2 also knows what 3PO knew - but then, you would think there are other characters around who could have figured that out a lot sooner...

 

Well, both have been described as 'wise' by their apprentice and both have been betrayed by them too. Other than that, just the fact they're both dead.

Your right though that they could alter Plagueis now to make him anything they want. For one, James Luceno omitted his species when he re-introduced him back into canon in Tarkin.

But if you're going to make one of them cheat death, why not just make them the same character in that case? Imo, It would have far more relevance to the characters and audience of the Sequels than bringing back just one of them separately. Plus, it would show how he managed to complete Kylo's dark side training in the exact same way he managed to complete Palpatine's—by making them believe they've "killed" their master.

Despite how awesome I think that could be, it's not going to happen. Tweedledee and Tweedledum are dead. Like super dead. Like 'deader than a dodo' dead. That's how dead they are to me now.

I've moved on from the Plagueis theories, @master_shaitan. Don't suck me back in! Only pain will I find.