RUMOR MSW / My worries...

No I dont, but I dont believe that what "the fans want" is what the fans need with most film series.

Most fans if they got the chance would make a film about everyone and everything being happy in the post ROTJ era...

Its kinda like the problem with JP fans, most Jurassic PArk fans would just make a movie about a dinosaur park and everyone being happy and there being no conflict.

I dont know if a good film could ever be exactly what Star Wars fans want it too be...

 

"Exactly what us true fans have wanted" is a loaded statement. All of us have different ideas and expectations. In fact, those with the most expectations are going to have the toughest time with the movie, tbh. I'd hate to start calling out people as not being "true fans" if our interests and opinions are different from each other.

It will be impossible to please everyone with this, or any movie, so I voted 'No.' However, I'm not at all put off by the rumors and speculation. For me, it hinges upon the characters.

 

Its not at al;l the movie I would want it to be, but i know for a fact the movie I would make would be awful... because all of my ideas are just... sad

I do hope that if Luke did attempt to rebuild the jedi, that not all of his students are dead... just scattered and in hiding.

 

I still feel that MSW is largely off-base. I know they have some kind of documents and have gotten a few things right, but most of what they've gotten right has been stuff that gets officially released soon after. I don't think this has been MSW getting things right and Disney trying to play catch-up, rather the opposite. As trailers and other promo materials get ready for release, more eyes witness the stuff and some of those eyes end up reporting back to MSW and other sites, who in turn release that information before the official release. Therefore, MSW claiming to have "inside" knowledge is only their hubris showing; they have slightly earlier access to things than we do, that's about it.

So stuff like their supposed synopsis is largely just speculation on their part. They're taking little pieces and trying to claim they have the whole picture. For example, they learned that a Captain Phasma would be in the movie and that she would be a Chrome Trooper, then the speculate as to what she'll be doing and claim that it's based on insider knowledge; well, the first half may be true, but the second half more than likely isn't. This is how I see their version of the movie: they have some names and places, but most of the events they're purporting to take place are rubbish.

If I'm wrong, so be it. But the movie that they're pushing just seems so...empty. It feels like terrible fan fiction at best; if TFA fits their bill 100%, I'll more than likely walk away disappointed. But they're wrong, so I won't

 

I completely agree. No offense to MSW, but the way their making TFA sound is as if it's a remake of A New Hope.
So we've waited literally ten years for a new Star Wars film, and according to MSW, we get a film about...superweapons? Really? Is that the premise of The Force Awakens? Is the premise of the entire sequel trilogy just First Order vs. Resistance? No, I don't think so. Maybe MSW has a partial outline of the film, but absolutely not the whole picture. I'm starting to think that the entire third act is completely different than what is rumored.
For example, according to MSW

Spoiler

Kylo Ren kills Han Solo on the ramparts of the Evil Castle.

This might be true, but I remember a post Kyle had about

Spoiler

seeing a screenshot of a monitor that depicted a Kylo vs. Han vs. Luke standoff

Since Kyle claimed to see it himself, I'm going to believe him, since 1) he's a pretty honest guy and 2) he actually SAW something whereas MSW has only reported on HEARING stuff.
This is just one of the many examples in which we have to look at what we know.

I apologize for this rant, but my point is that however much MSW says they have the whole thing, they don't. They may have a rough sketch of PARTS of the film, but definitely not the super-spoilery vital plot points of The Force Awakens. There's more to this film, and come December, we will not be disappointed.

EDIT: Here's Kyle's post about the image he saw:
http://thecantina.starwars7news.com/index.php?threads/a-cyborg-seen-i-have-not.584/#post-12034

 

I still believe taht Kylo is going t stab han and Luke is going to hold han while he is dying... and Han is going to beg Luke to not kill Kylo.

Rey and Finn are going to be fighting Kylo, and Luke is going to stop it because of his old friends dying words.

And it would be people seeing this scene that would misinterpret some parts as Luke having killed Han like some leakres said

I somehow have extreme doubts that there is a Superweapon at all in the film, or at least a super weapon that feels super...

 

@slothxscvm,

I would, at the very least, wait it out until Comic-Con in a few weeks before jumping overboard. As of right now, we still have such a small amount of official info released, that it's really hard to(at this moment), put the pieces together. I think were in for something special, and while they won't exactly drop the shroud with a trailer(and whatever else they have planned), I think we will, finally, get a decent idea of what JJ has in store for us...

Just a little longer, friend

 

The fans want happy ever after, but that rarely if ever happens. This is the cinematic age of broken heroes and character driven films. The EU has been around for 30 years. Everyone knows the story of Jacen and Jaina and even though it's not cannon anymore certain people still want that family story that we might not be getting.

 

MSW have seen the shooting schedule. They know what was filmed, and what they know was filmed was in a coded format, so - to an extent - they are merely interpreting a shooting schedule.
And, they seem to be interpreting it with fairly average intellect.
Those are the FACTS, make of them what you will...

 

I think everyone forgets this is the beginning of a new storyline.

There will be many unanswered and open threads to continue thoughout the new trilogy.

 

What "us true fans" really want is completely ambiguous and will inevitably vary from fan to fan. Having said that I recommend you don't get upset about a synopsis that is obviously mistaken about a great many things.
Luke is not going to be a saddened old man in seclusion due to failure. There is not going to be an evil Leia or Luke or Rey and I will bet a thousand credits that there is not going to be any dark side Skywalker at all.

 

First of all the term "true" fan is very disconcerting. It basically means if you don't agree with someone's opinions or expectations your somehow a lesser fan.

The other problem is whether or not MSW reports are true or not, we have no context to judge how they fit into the story as a whole, or how they effect the quality of the final product yet.

Sure we all agree that some spoilers sound better than others. But your opinion on whats good and whats not dont mean anything until we A - we know if said rumors are even true, and B - we understand how these rumors fit into the final product. Neither of which we know at this point.

So really I'm not sure how you can vote on this.

 

I voted for The Phantom Menace-what a great movie (insert sarcasm here)! Everyone wants something different, so the reality is everyone won't be happy. A majority of SW fans loved ESB because of the cliffhanger and darkness in it! Others favored ANH for other reasons. I don't care how great the TFA will be, you know people will be griping about it somehow.

 

If fans got everything they wanted, they'd be adapting Legacy of the Force here.

So no.

Also, 'true fans' makes me shiver.

 

I think he is shivering because most of the time the term is used, its used by entitled whiney babies who thinkh the franchise belongs to them and dont want anyone else playing with their toys.

 

You know, I've never downgraded anyone's posts one here, I've only ever given positives... either that or, like, y'know actually posted about the things I disagree with and why I disagree...
But that's just me.

And every now and again, I get a downmark, and I think - at least explain why you disagree. That's what I'd do...

About which things specifically?
Largely "off-base" implies more things MSW have shared are wrong than are correct.
Now, yeah, I agree: if you took some kind of aggregate and considered everything MSW has ever posted - including reports based on information from sources outside of their own direct sources (they've always been pretty clearly flagged up as such), speculation based on any source (which, again, has always been flagged up as speculation rather than *fact*), and, of course, anything predating the period when MSW had access to concept art and then, later, the shooting schedule... then you could probably say the majority of what that site has shared is utter crap.
Maybe - personally, I haven't carried out that particular statistical analysis.

But I think, or at least I'd like to think, most people are canny enough to sort the wheat from the chaff and discern for themselves which MSW posts are considered the *important* ones and directly relate to info provided by "their own" sources.

So, which bits are off-base?
IE: what unique information do you have about the movie that contradicts MSW's account...?

Maybe they are just using a time machine with a very limited range, then.

Disney have been getting things right and MSW have been trying to play catch-up?

That would be, in a nutshell, what a legitimate leak actually is, yes.

Good lord, that is precisely what *leaking* something is. That is what *inside knowledge* is. You've actually just tried to explain how MSW "having inside knowledge" is a reason to presume they don't have inside knowledge. How does that work?

Okay, so their synopsis is either largely wrong, as you claim, or it is a bit wrong.
Which bits are wrong?
Or is the truth that they have had access to the shooting schedule which literally describes things that were filmed and - in the case of The Force Awakens - was compiled in such a way as to substitute characters, locations and key items with code names.
So yes, A) there is a margin of interpretation and resultant error, and B) there are huge gaps in our knowledge - the most obvious being any actual dialogue or description of any shots which required no camera (in the strictest sense of the word - IE: pure FX shots)
Nobody is doubting that.
Their synopsis is still 100% closer than *not knowing anything about this movie and having zero inside knowledge* and sitting thre claiming they are wrong.

I'll accept that, for sure.
JW has a big ego.

I don't think they've really said much about what she is doing, to be honest. Just where she might be at a given point in the movie, at best.Do you have a link to where they have said this?

This is how I see their version of the movie: they have some names and places, but most of the events they're purporting to take place are rubbish.

And if I'm wrong, downgrade my post.
But you'll have to wait until you've seen the movie to do that, eh?
Nah, just do it now if you like...

Yeah, like I said, they've only got a shooting schedule. No dialogue. Missing context. That probably explains the "emptiness".

Well, just maybe you will.

Brill.

 

Here is a reason why I just gave you a dislike, whining like a child because someone didnt agree with you. People are not obligated to explain their acions.