RUMOR MSW / My worries...

I have a good feeling about this movie. Sure i have some worries that there will be too much rehashing old stuff and not enough originality like may others. That only goes for the story though.From what i have seen so far i have already decided i love the look and feel of the film . Production designers Rick Carter and Darren Gilford are super talented. And everyone seems to be focused on getting the right old school Star Wars feeling into it with practical effects and real sets. I kinda already know i will at least be satisfied visually , lets hope the story holds up too.

 

Dude, way to take everything personally. I didn't downgrade your post, "Disagree" is a neutral rating. We all get them, the same as we all get negative ratings (of which your post will now be getting, after attacking mine so vehemently). And I disagree with your "facts", particularly about JW's "average intellect." Have you actually seen some of the stuff he posts on Twitter and other sites beyond MSW? To say the dude has an ego is an understatement; he's been on record saying he hates SW fans.

As for your sarcastic take-down of everything I said, I'll respond thusly: you have entirely misinterpreted what I was getting at. MSW acts like they have someone leaking them information from inside Bad Robot, when I suspect they are just getting leaks from sources that are about to release that information anyway. For example: most of what's been officially shown in trailers and promo art is Act 1 and character set-up, which is largely what MSW has posted. If they really had someone leaking them info from a source beyond just distributors and such, we'd be getting much more detailed information, stuff that wouldn't just show up in the next trailer 2-3 weeks after MSW leaks it.

I've given them that they have gotten quite a few things right, but again it's mostly names and physical descriptions. Where I think they're largely off-base is in their speculations, their filling-in of the plot. And I don't need to pretend to have insider knowledge to disagree with their speculation.

 

I think your right: everybody wants something different, so everybody won't be happy and I don't think they can...ever! Why? Because the movie I believe most "fans" want could have only been done back in 1986, three years after ROTJ. Imagine if George said: O.K. Now I can do the prequels movies. That would mean Phantom would have been out in 1986, Attack in 1989, and Revenge in 1992. Now those movies would definitely have been different than the ones we got! (And I'm not bashing them because I really liked 2 and 3) Now, George then decides to do episode 7 in 1995, episode 8 in 1998, and episode 9 in 2001. Just 3 years after the release date of the Phantom Menace in 1999 we could have had 9 movies!!! Instead we had to wait 16 years for a film that could in no way met our expectations after waiting all that time! Now here we are 32 years after Return of the Jedi and our expectations ( which I believe depends on if you enjoyed the prequels) are through the roof! THERE IS NO WAY J.J COULD POSSIBLE TAKE 32 YEARS OF FANS HOPES AND DREAMS AND PUT THEM IN A FILM! THAT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE!! 32 YEARS IS A LONG FRIGGIN TIME TO WANT SOMETHING! TO DREAM ABOUT IT, AND TALK ABOUT IT. TO ARGUE OVER IT AND DEBATE ABOUT IT! I believe the Episode 7 will be awesome! It will re-unite us with people we have cared about since childhood; much like a family reunion. It will give us (hopefully) new characters to care about and villains to loathe. Will it be the movie that "fans" have waited for since 1983? Nah, that movie is the one playing in our heads; even right now!!!

 

I agree with everything except that it will unite us as fans. I think it will unite *many* of us, but some long-time hardcore fans are going to hate this movie. It's a sad truth. You already see it. It will be interesting on this message board in December, that's for sure.

I'm really glad that most of us seem to be positive. It's the best way to go.

 

Firstly, the first order having a "super weapon" sounds perfectly reasonble as they are primarily a military power. The military power always seek out the largest weapon and i don't mean "large" in terms of size, but power projection.

Secondly, this sounds very much like "i hope MSW is wrong because i don't like their rumours/spoilers", I apologies if you didn't mean it that way, but it really does sound like this.

Thirdly, If MSW is right, luke restarted an academy, as it was progressing the dark side "re-gained" enough power to wipe it out, killing his students, friends etc. Luke going into seclusion mirrors Yoda when Order 66 dropped. Also, why does luke need redepmtion in THIS film? If MSW is right, he will no doubt feature in VIII and will be Rey's "yoda" with rey being the "new luke". Luke training rey to eventually bring down kylo/snoke/new evil, would be the ultimate redemption. You "not wanting to wait till VIII" is not the creators problem, they are not there to create full "fan-fiction".

Lastly, I like the idea of luke being yoda, i like the way the MSW synopsis plays out (even thought i seriosuly doubt it's 100% accurate). So who gets to "decide what true fans want", no one, we are all individuals who have difference tastes and opinions, and who just happen to be star wars fans, and inside that fandom there is MASSIVE disagreements as to who likes what, film is completely subjective. If i think TFA is the best thing since sliced bread and you think its a nightmare then those are just our opinions.

 

For the record, I think the story that the "true fans" wanted was already told: it was called the post-RotJ EU. Like it or hate it (or have a complex opinion about it), that part of Legends was the continuing adventures of the Big Three & co. The ST will feature them, but it's no longer their time to shine.

On a related note, I don't dislike the MSW speculation because I want it to feature the Big Three more, I dislike it because it feels empty and contrived. For example, I know that we may never see Luke being all badass in this trilogy, but it also doesn't feel right for his character to just sit out these events awaiting his old lightsaber be returned to him. There's something missing here, and I don't think MSW has it, they just want us to think they do. Credit where it's due, they've gotten some things right, but getting some character names and such correct doesn't men they've seen the final cut of the film.

Edited to fix a wrong word, use "film" twice instead of "final."

 

old EU is such a twist and turn of cris-cross timelines that i think it offered fans the ability to find a series and kind of "enclose" themselves in that timeline.

My counter would be - if luke's academy was the only bastion of the jedi order, and the dark side wiped it out, then luke doing what yoda did sounds pretty reasonable. It's like yoda's escape in ROTS and then his return in ESB. Excluding rebels, which should not impact the episodic story imo, yoda sat out a huge part of the empires rise and only brought himself back when luke found him.....kind of sounds like a certain rey flying to a certain secluded place to find a "great warrior"

 

Everything he has leaked is true folks. I have seen what he has seen long before he saw it. And I'm still decoding stuff he never figured out and passing it to the mods here.

 

thanks for the updates @Darkstar

 

So you are saying everything he has leaked is true because you have the same source? I thought he was just bad at speculating but after your statement I will consider that source unreliable at best.

 

Thanks for your contributions.

 

You're confusing the issue here. I've accepted that he's got something, or had something and blew it all a while ago, but what I'm questioning specifically are his speculations. Unless you can tell me this evidence is the current cut of the film, there are still holes that aren't yet filled in and that's where I think MSW is off-base.

I kind of agree, but I also kind of don't. Taken as a single timeline, yes a lot of things happen back-to-back, but this is a fantasy series and I personally don't need things to happen in a realistic time-frame. This applies to the movies as well: hyperspace travel time various depending on the needs of the plot, Luke's training only seems to last a few days at most, Han recovers pretty darn quickly to be combat-ready by the middle of RotJ, etc. The old EU really did have a pretty strong cohesiveness, it just gets a bad rap because of one or two outliers to that canon.

 

So you are choosing not to believe the MSW plot simply because you do not like the way the story unfolds? I wish life was like that...... Your post makes little to no sense and you seem completely ignorant to how the whole process of "leaking" things works.

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This post is brilliance. One of the most intelligent things I've seen in awhile on this site. So of course it got a dislike 4 times.

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This seems incredibly petty and an abuse of the system. I always saw the dislike button as an excuse for people who are too lazy to type a post.

 

I choose not to believe the MSW speculation because I don't like it and he has a history of purposefully misleading fans just for his own jollies. And I'm ignorant because I think that things are leaking because they're reaching more hands in preparation of official release? Would I be less ignorant to think that information that only a few people have access to is being constantly leaked to someone with no credentials and at great personal risk?

 

Thanks for proving my point

 

What, that I'm exercising my prerogative as a cogent human being? It's pretty obvious by your rhetoric that you thrive on putting down those who don't agree with you, so I guess I can't blame you for doing what you do best. People are who they are.

 

I don't understand, I said that people choose not to believe the MSW plot because they don't like it, and then you said that you choose not to believe the MSW plot because you don't like it. So you proved my point. Not tying to be rude or insult your considerable cognetive abilities.

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This really shouldn't even be a thread anyways. No two fans are the same and having a simple yes/no poll to see whether or not this is going to be a great Star Wars movie just doesn't sit well with me. We had this question posed a few weeks ago in a much better way when someone who was anti spoiler asked those of us who had read the MSW plot what we thought of it and if we thought it would be a good Star Wars movie.

 

No, you were clearly being condescending and ignoring half of what I said. JW of MSW has a history of vileness against the Star Wars community, so I don't find it a stretch that he's taking existing material, filling in the blanks with his own garbage, and pawning it off as "100% true." None of us have seen the movie, so if I don't like what he's posted, I don't have to believe it.

I do agree with you on the poll though, which is why I haven't even voted on it. The question is loaded and the definition of "true fans" is highly ambiguous.

 

It's hard to understand what's sarcasm and what's genuine over text so I undersand the confusion.

However I thought I was just having a debate. That's what forums are for right? I dont want anyone to take it personally