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SPECULATION Musings on the structure of TFA

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Angelman, May 7, 2015.

  1. Angelman

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    Hi all, I’ll jump in without any further ado.

    We’ve been told that TFA will follow the OT closer than it will the PT, and a significant different between those two trilogies were the overall structure of the individual episodes. In short, the OT episodes were relatively simple and straight forward, with each act set in a different location (the mid act was often divided between two locations), while the PT… well, it was neither simple nor straight forward, and as for locations it was all over the place.

    Assuming TFA will follow an OT structure, we might expect it to have three acts, a beginning (i.e. introduction), a middle (i.e. intensification), and end (i.e. resolution), each set on a different world. Disregarding for the moment the possibility of rumored flashback scenes of exposition montages, we might then see something like this.

    Act 1 – Jakku: It starts in media res, the plot kicking off with action.

    Act 2 – Resistance location(s): The heroes escapes the problems of Act 1, to (re)unite with the hero factions. This might take place on the forest/jungle world, which indeed could be Yavin 4. Alternatively, we might have two groups of heroes doing 2nd act stuff in two separate locations.

    Act 3 – First Order location(s): I assume here that the good guys takes the battle to the bad guys, meaning the Resistance attack the First Order snow world.

    Note that I disregard any unconfirmed rumors (which I don’t read anyway), and I make no attempt to dissect the actual plot and story of TFA. My goal is only to suggest a likely structure, to hear what you think of it. (For the record, it is more likely than not that I’m wrong, but still, if TFA follows a simple OT structure, this might be it).


    Thoughts? Does this hold any water, and if so, what can a structure outline tell us? As always, I appologize if this has been discussed elsewhere. :)
     
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    Well I think like the PT there will be 3 factions. In the PT there is the Republic and the Sepratists but both are being played against the middle by the Sith. Celebration mentioned that there is 3 factions the New Republic, the 1st Order and the Resistance. That does not mean the ST will be PTesque just that it will have multiple factions. So part of the narrative structure needs to include what 3 sides are up to.
     
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    It sounds like this first film will be very similar to Star Wars with action driving a to b to c with a few cuts to see what the baddies are up to. JJ is going to want to make this a roller coaster ride. You strap in the music plays, the words scroll, camera pans down to Kylo Ren's Star Destroyer and you had better be buckled in.
     
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    I hope he slows down enough for characters to develop.
     
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    The arc you described sounds like what is being planned - I've only heard about 3 planets/major locations and it fits with the three act arc.

    Personally I love this structure of each act a seperate location so I hope it does pan out.
     
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    They are actually much more similar in structure than they appear to be on the surface:

    www.starwarsringtheory.com

    And there are signs in the teaser that JJ may be continuing the pattern.
     
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    That's fascinating.

    EDIT: I HIGHLY recommend every Star Wars fan read this. It goes far in redeeming George's prequels. They're still terrible movies - but now I know why they're so bad. He was spending all his effort making them fit this complex structure and the story got left in the dust.
     
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    I think the big thing the ST will resemble like the OT is the sense of danger throughout the movie. The PT is more of a backstory so there is alot of exposition and many scenes of characters standing around doing nothing but talking. The OT was a wild ride from start to finish as our heroes were always in peril, and the ST trailers reflect that.
     
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    I thought I read somewhere that this movie will host a lot of action, especially after we meet our main characters. I'm hoping that there is still room in there for some quiet, character building scenes, too. I don't want an all-out action film but I don't want meetings in front of council's and committee's either. The OT had a great balance and flow to it. The PT had the slower moments but they (mostly) just seemed sooooo slow.
     
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    But doesn't this movie have to explain some backstory as to where our characters have been for the past 30 years? Maybe a scroll can accomplish this but I'm just not sure.
     
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    I don't think we're going to see a flashback or any other exposition outside natural conversation and the opening scroll. JJ has been saying that one of the great parts of Star Wars was that you knew there was all this other stuff there - and you got bits and pieces - but you basically had to fill in the blanks yourself.

    That opening scroll will be very important to set it all up - and then the roller coaster begins. This supposed flashback sequence with Maz Kanata I believe will be more akin to a Force vision - bits and pieces of images/scenes either from the past, present, or future which will give the heroes the info they need to make their next move.
     
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    So, (and this goes out to anyone else), how important do you think the scroll will be and would you be disappointed if it leaks before the film opens? I think that if it did break, I would not want to read it.
     
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    Ultimately the scroll is setting the scene. So I wouldn't mind reading it. It would give me time to think about it, digest it, and be raring to go on December 18th.
     
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    Yes and No. A great writer can explain some backstory while still telling a linear story and not getting bogged down. You have to trust the audience, and I think many TV shows and movies today are dumbed down because the writer doesn't trust the audience.

    I always go back to the cave scene in ESB. Nothing is ever explained by Yoda, only that Luke failed, and the audience is left to understand the undertones of that scene in once he brought in his weapon in there. Lucas could have written a long scene with Yoda describing WHY Luke failed, but Yoda only says, "Remember your failure at the cave."

    Then fast forward to TPM and Lucas actually puts a number on Anakin's force abilites? Obiwan says his readings are 20,000 and through the roof, just in case the viewer didn't get that this little kid was special. Lucas never put a number on Luke in ANH, but we all got that he was special and this kid there was more to him then just a farmboy.
     
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    Lucas wrote all of the PT (and ANH), but he didn't write ESB. Kasdan did, which bodes well for TFA.
     
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    I think we should look at this differently. The OT and the PT are two different stories yet the PT is essentially a backstory of the OT stretched into 3 movies that explains how thing in the OT came to be (why there is a Darth Vader, why there isn't a Republic anymore and there is now an Empire, etc.). Furthermore, the PT were during Republican times where there was a flourishing formal Jedi Order present with rules and a structure and technological apparatuses readily available to them. There was formal knowledge present as well readily available to the Jedis at the time and the ability to decipher this knowledge (ex: midichlorian counts and how a high number of these meant one was extremely Force sensitive); this somewhat took some mystery out of things but it doesn't necessarily de-mistify nor diminish things in regards to its symbolism (the way I look at it, Obi-wan, nor Yoda, couldn't explain the correlation between midichlorian count and Force sensitivity because 1) he did not have the equipment to measure midichlorian count (this tool would not be readily available to him) and 2) most importantly, it has always been understood that Luke, being the son of Anakin, one of the most powerful Jedis, inherently was going to be Force sensitive, no need to look further into tangibles regarding him).
     
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    according to MSW act 3 is suppose to have the big fight scene where Luke confronts Kylo Ren with Finn and Han dies and Rey comes to help using a lightsaber. Is this where we also see in the concept art of where Chewie loses his arm?
     
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    MSW has Luke in a flashback and getting handed a sabre by Rey at the end of the film last I read. I would not mind hearing that they were talking up more Luke scenes but pretty much the most controversial thing JW has done other than being really rude was suggest little to no Luke in the movie.

    Spoilerman and others ran with the Luke messes up Kylo in the closing fight rumor.
     
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