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SPECULATION My original TFA Review. WIP

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Bandini, Dec 28, 2016.

  1. Bandini

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    I hope you liked the mind trick update :D
     
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    I think it is a great idea to write a story to Anakin's redemption.

    How was the prophecy fullfiled.
     
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    I know that this scene bothered some. In your previous statements I thought TFA began in the light sabre fight.

    I simply figured it was one of a few things.
    1-The idea that Jedi are able to effect the mind through mind tricks is well known Watto joked with Jinn using a mind trick on him.
    2-By this time in the film she had been victim of Kylo's mind powers twice. She felt his oushes and was able to push back.
    3-She's not a neophyte or a savant. She was long ago a youngling has forgotten or was made to forget and is now remembering.
    4-Lastly Qui-Gon said of Anakin that he was fast because he saw the future. Implication being that even in the untrained the force gives people an edge even untrained. She is getting hints of what to do. She has spent her life wondering about her future the force is working in her based on how she thinks.
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    That's what the OT was. The ST I think is the Legacy of Anakin. Kylo carries the torch of Vader. Rey can be what Anakin could have been.
     
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    Alright, trying to understand this thread- are you saying the ST is basically the OT, but from Vader's eyes?
     
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    I have a time problem with the start but I think they played it two times.

    The main idea besides this theory is the line : If you strike me down, I will be more powerful than you could imagine ...

    And it's the beginning of the prophecy, so the start of the story. So Kenobi is both Lor San Tekka and Solo in the death Scene.

    It's the problem.
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    It's the story of the idea of his redemption. How he fullfilled the prophecy.
     
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    Ok, but what does that mean? Are you just imagining this as a continuation of the OT story, but featuring Vader's redemption somehow? The OT through Vader's eyes? Some sort of parallel dimension. I am very confused.
     
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    It's more Vader's mind than Vader's eyes and yes.
     
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    Well, yeah, I didn't literally mean his "eyes".

    Interesting theory. Not sure how true it could be, but it' cool to think about. Looking forward to seeing it applied in EP8.
     
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    Here Artoo is acknowledged again after the trench fight, it's no more the droid who has the map to Skywalker but Artoo and he's becoming Rey's buddy again like in the old times, before the dark times.

    In Anakin's mind the droid has back his name.

    Both droids have the way to the map, can't be a coincidence.
     
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    I think you need to corral your thoughts and put them in sequence to make it make more sense. I kinda see what your saying but it's not really coherent.

    Anyway one thing about the Force vision is this;

    First thing Rey hears is her past. Come back...she has hope one day someone is coming back.

    It's also the first thing she sees is herself.

    At the end Maz says there is one who could come back. Rey says Luke.

    Rey's past hope brings the real hope back.

    In other words Rey's past is false Hope.

    Rey's future is Luke who is the new Hope.
     
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    In A New Hope, Luke's imaginary dad is a freighter captain.

    It's fun to see that Han Solo the father Rey never had was a freighter captain, a smuggler.

    They used Solo as Lor San Tekka's role because he would have make the plot too obvious. By playing the Solo card, they were distracting the audience much more.

    As long he's no more the imaginary dad, after the saber event in Takodana, he took Kenobi's role. Just short after that we have the trench decision's scene.
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    Well, first, come back are the last words Anakin heard of Padme. Rey has gone since this time 19 years.

    The world of my theory is a barometer of the Chosen One inclination to the Force. During 19 years Rey was there but at ground zero which is Jakku for good. As soon as she gets of Jakku, there's the Snoke and Kylo Ren awakening scene.

    And this scene says that the awakening is in Kylo Ren. He then, confessed, he has a call to the light which is logical because Rey has left ground zero.

    But the major event of the saber vision scene if that you can observe that there is the sound of a lightsaber lighting up and Rey didn't do it. One of the major points of the theory is that all the Force events of TFA are coming from Force moves from Ep IV.

    I think the mind tricks events make this more obvious.

    ____

    BTW The theory is a work in progress, it's just an evidence I had a few days ago but things are tying incredibly well. I'll try to make a resumé when I'll have finished thinking :D
     
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    And of course Rey has this look because the only loves Anakin had were Shmi and Padme.
     
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    This is all very interesting, albeit a little difficult to follow. While I think I understand your "parallel" universe thinking, to me, I believe this just illustrates some of the more subtle (and some of the not so subtle) "rhymes" or use of ring theory by the filmmakers during the subsequent time period that is the ST, if that makes sense. I certainly subscribe to the idea that Rey represents the embodiment of Anakin's light while Ren embodies Vader's dark.

    But I do like the idea of inverting the OT to make the ST (Kylo = Anti-Luke) through the ring structure...
     
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    Yes it's difficult to follow because all my points were found after I had the first idea and I'm not a very organized person :D

    But it was amazing to see these things fit in one after one ( even if there are evident flaws ) ... I took pleasure to think about this during a week and then ... that was enough for me and I didn't want to make people think like me.

    The amazing thing is that all the "weird" things were explained with a simple first feeling that there was something more in this.

    Thanks for your comment.
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    The whole thing was coming from this line : If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can ever imagine ... And Rey is that powerful idea that took place at the moment in Vader's mind.

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    As long as the awakening took place there on Jakku, I've suddenly noticed how these two were lookalike and everything went on.
     
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    If my theory is right ( and it is :p ) Rey is Anakin's part of Vader who turned back to light.

    so who are Rey and Luke at this point of the story in the OT ?

    The last Jedi.

    Plural.
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    Definite asset.

    Look at that scene.

    Anakin almost died when Kylo Ren / Vader felt to the dark side but he didn't, he was abandoned, alone, in Jakku ( evil ) and living from the empire's wrecks. Scavenging the empire like when he was a slave on Tattoine. He has no face but there is still that little light ( see the scene ) in him.

    Anakin comes back to life and where did he fall ? The emperor's Room. Destroyed. And then it is a birth, a long long tunnel to the light and Anakin has a face again ( the face the one he loved Padme and Shmi ) and then the redemption begins. The journey of Rey Skywalker has began.



    And who has the map to Anakin ? A droid. For the moment, he's BB8 but at the moment, after the trench fight, he's identified. Artoo is back again. He delivered the map to Anakin and they team back up again. Then Anakin has to meet Luke on Dagobah.

    It's Rey ( Anakin ) and artoo's plan who made the empire fall. Not the Rebellion.

    It was all Anakin's plan all along, it was THE PROPHECY !

    PS / Acht - To means brother.

    If LST is Kenobi in this Inside Out then it makes total sense that Anakin meets Luke on Acht To. Brother. You were my brother Anakin, I loved you and I gave my life to bring you back to light.
     
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    I will add tomorrow the full explanation of the Takodana Kylo Ren and Rey first meeting and the interrogation scene.

    Feel free to participate.
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    Before reaching the end of the tunnel through the emperor's room, Rey has no face. She's just the light besides the mask.




    Who are you ? I'm noone.

    Then when she reached the light, she now has a face, she looks like Padme and Shmi. The long lost Anakin's love.

    Rey is love.

    Rey is the part of Love that was tied inside Vader.

    Anakin finally died through love to give birth to Rey.
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    The Takodana fight.



    Rey is love. Pure love. She's the light.

    When Rey felt the Force through the lightning of the saber, she felt feelings she never known. She's afraid, she ran, she's no pure love anymore. Guess who's coming ?

    The First Order.

    Then she starts to shoot, feeling hate, the dark side and who's coming from nowhere ? Kylo Ren / Darth Vader.

    Vader reached him and make love vanish. Like that, by his will and take her to his ship.
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    My analysis will focus on the journey of the Force..

    I think there is a story in TFA which is called the mystery box to hide the real plot which is the one I explain.

    Rey is the journey of the lost Love in Anakin's mind to redeem him through the Force and accomplish the prophecy and be the chose one.
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    Snoke is just this inside out's Palps. This scene was the Death Star fall and Vader going God knows where in his TIE ...



    Vader felt so weak behind him, he was like a little boy waiting for help.

    He asked Vader to give him the love he had for he destroyed it definitely but Vader never did.



    Rey is the love in Vader's heart and she will show her the way to redemption through this trilogy as he finally kill Snoke making Rey winning it all.



    Through love you can do everything.

    Anakin Skywalker.

    Prophet of the Force.
     
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    If you only listen to the lines of the trailers ( the images are misleading ), this is exactly the story I explain.







    There are stories about what happened ( this one )

    It's true. All of it.
     
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    Well, it certainly is original (hence all the George Lucas faces I've added to your posts). I have to say, I don't see Lucasfilm going this direction. But it's certainly well-thought-out and makes an interesting way to read what TFA is. :)
     
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    Two more things.

    Rey is afraid by the number of steps and she looked back. Who's cheering for her ? Artoo. Coincidence at this point ?

    Listen carefully to the sound when she's climbing ... The breathe ... Anakin is getting back his breathe ... How symbolic is that in Darth Vader ?

    Is it a coincidence this is the only sound we hear ?

    THat's many many coincidences for a feeling at first.
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    At least, we have to figure out why Disney went low on TFA plot knowing they are amazing story tellers. It always stayed in my mind that there was something more.

    You don't give less to Star Wars than to the book of the jungle.
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    Vader is calmer. Anakin awoke.

    Where am I ?

    You're my guest.

    Anakin always had been Vader's guest somehow inside just tied so he can't move and take a decision.

    Where are my friends ? The Jedi ...

    You mean the traitors, murderers and thieves you call friends ? The jedi speach on Mustafar one of the last Anakin's souvenir and Vader doesn't know.

    But as soon as he has the other link to Skywalker ( Anakin ) he doesn't need to intercept the droid anymore.

    The ocean is not Acht-To, it's the one on Naboo when Anakin and Vader were still together during the PT and so they share that memory. But he couldn't get more because if he got deeper in her mind he will find Anakin because it's his own mind tied by Vader.

    He's afraid of this and goes to see his master Snoke the evil incarnated.
     
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