HUMOR My Reaction to All the Negativity

So, essentially anyone who didn't like the film is either a:

a. conspiracy theorist

or

b. whiny fanboy

Greeeaaaaaat.

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lmao

 

Mark Hamill and Kristian Harloff called out Variety for the way they came across in their review. I have not read Variety's review, btw, so not sure what they are calling them out about,but I do know it was far beyond negativity they say.

 

Just proves they saying that you can't please everyone.

The thing that gets me is that whether you like something or not is just an opinion. Everyone has one. They are neither right nor wrong. But I've seen so many in these Star Wars debates with the mentality that my opinion is the correct and only one. Everyone must succumb to it, if not, your are wrong, stupid, brainwashed, etc, if they don't agree with it. Not everyone feels the same way and no one is wrong because of it.

If you like it great, enjoy.... if you don't then just move along with life. No need to bash anyone (including RJ... and GL) for their opinions and Ideas.

 

Not at all. But TCW seems to have a lot of love from the majority of the Star Wars fanbase. The Last Jedi felt like a force-heavy Clone Wars story arc for the big-screen. I'm just saying I don't understand how one can be accepted if the other can't.

If you don't like the film, that's cool, we're all entitled to our opinion, the world would be a boring place if we all shared the same one.

I'm talking solely from the perspective of those who can accept things like Mortis in TCW and yet turn their nose up at the The Last Jedi for being too weird.

I thought it was great and am looking forward to the soundtrack being released tomorrow so I can enjoy the movie further in my own time. If you think it was crap, that's your call and I suppose your loss I guess, no need to be aggressive on the matter. I'm not going to try and change your opinion, it's yours and yours alone and I respect that. I wouldn't want you trying to change mine either.

 

I agree with this. It's a rather inconsistent opinion although I'd say that the Mortis arc was rather trite from a storytelling perspective and I'd definitely say the same for much of The Last Jedi.

 

I'm definitely ready for some TLF weirdness (I'll be back after I see it, lol), but I will say this.....the Mortis arc is overrated. Come at me, internetzzz!!!! lol

Correct me if I'm wrong, but at the end of the arc, doesn't it mention that 'no time had passed'? Like, couldn't that be an interesting joint Force vision and not some extra-dimensional time bending definition of the story/Force/destiny that we have to refer to over-and-over-and-over again?

Anyway, I digress......back to gifs and memes and porgs and stuff!

 

Well then there we go, we agreeeee (feel free to say that in C-3P0 voice from ROTJ) . When I said it's "modern Star Wars perfection" I didn't mean it was a perfect movie, just that in how Star Wars has been presented post-prequels, from The Clone Wars onwards, this was a perfect representation of where it's been headed. Visions of the inquisitor as a jedi temple guard, the Mortis arc, Yoda talking to Ezra on a temporal plain, the Loth-Wolves, A Sunny Day in the Void etc. It's all that type of stuff just finally on the big screen. Whether one is happy with that finally becoming a movie is another matter, but personally speaking I'd say it's a perfect movie representation of where Star Wars has been for the last decade (and that obviously includes the pre-Disney buy-out).

And I don't even like the Mortis arc myself

I will say this however, I did keep expecting Admiral Holdo to turn around and viciously exclaim "F*ck you Poe" whilst slowly dragging a cigarette. What can I say, too much Twin Peaks...

 

This is a honeymoon period, if you think the negativity is bad now, wait 18 months down the line. Happened with TFA will happen with TLJ. Neither films, especially TLJ will stand the test of time. I hate to break it to you boys and girls, if its this bad now god help the run up to IX.

 

To be honest, am not talking about plot points am talking about attitudes. My liking or dislike of plot points is inconsequential. Its about patterns, its about the general feel of the movie. I can't control what others think all I can do is forecast. There is a definite backlash stirring and its not because of one film. Its everything, from the films to the books and the creative team. This is a simmering pot its been slowly boiling since 2015. The dislike of the TLJ, Rian Johnson and his adaptation is a tip of an iceberg. Plus am not sure the cast have heart for these films anymore. I feel sorry for Mark, Daisy and especially John. I am only extrapolating to why some people may act the way they do and its a bit unfair to say how people react to the negativity. How do you react to over adulation? In which both are faux pas. Its two sides of the same coin. You have to find a range & yes that includes a spectrum of attitudes even if you dislike them. You can't bury negativity in fact in the long run accepting negativity is a strength, just turning backs or saying what this thread is addressing when in fact its hiding it. You got to open the floor and you can't go around calling people. In fact ignoring and calling people aggressive for pointing out solid validations is going to cause more friction. If the economy has a gloomy outlook you don't just say, well that's not important here, you look for ways to prevent it and listen to discourse. Am talking about mobility of a franchise which is ever changing? Is it for the better, I don't think so.

 

Exactly. I thought you had to go to Walmart to see these cringeworthy level of adult temper tantrums followed by desperate rationalizing.

 

I don't mind divisve movies that cause strong reactions. I prefer a movie that causes both, strong negative and positive reactions over a movie that causes no reactions at all. I might not agree with everything seen in TLJ and there are still many questions unanswered but the movie made me think. It wanted me to go see it again (which I will do tonight). It managed to keep my interest in the franchise and I prefer the unexpected and controversial over a generic and predictable movie. The way I see it TLJ is a great movie but a bad sequel. However, if IX manages to fill the gaps than TLJ can retroactively turn not only to be a great movie, but also a great sequel. My final verdict will have to wait until I can look back at it in the context of the finished trilogy.

 

The film, while technically good, makes some major missteps, and you can't begrudge people for their reaction. Most of the characters that get development either die or didn't really have as much (or any) established role in the first film. I can think of three. The two core protag characters of TFA barely grow, and one of them doesn't even have a clear future in the plot. The antagonist character is important and is set up, but we have no clue where he's supposed to go from where he is. The choices made with legacy characters were indeed thecorrect, but for a movie about the next generation, all but two of the new characters seem to be in a worse starting position than they were in TFA. It's as if Rian Johnson wanted to rewrite TFA but forgot to set up the next movie.

 

Yep, i'm sure a mutli billion dollar corporation with Rian, JJ, KK, etc... had no set up for the next movie. Lets face it they didn't expect for Carrie to die. Phasma was worthless. Its obvious Luke can force ghost, so that is not great loss he will be in the next movie.

 

My God that child is a living breathing Porg!

 

They're the same crybabies who whined about TFA not being different enough. Like I mentioned in another thread, there's a lot of miserable douches who were prepared to complain no matter how the movie turned out. I pity their inability to enjoy star wars the way most of us do

 

Yes we the douches who didn't like the movie were preparing in advance to complain, we just love hating on movies it's much more enjoyable than liking them.

 

I'm crying laughing right now. You win sir!