HUMOR My Reaction to All the Negativity

In the Hasbro TVC fan's choice they stuffed the ballots with Ben Skywalker votes just to piss Disney off. Hasbro eventually saw what happened and voided the nomination. With Rotten Tomatoes, dont ask me, im going by what ive seen. People are bragging about skewing the results

 

What gets me about the criticism is this: it's not based on reality. Not a single one of these self-styled critics has, as far as I can tell, attempted to understand what the director was TRYING to do, and then go from there. You can't criticize him for not making the film YOU would have created. It's not YOUR film.

The questions left by JJ, like it or not, had to be answered. WHO is Luke Skywalker? What is HIS purpose in, as Rey says, all of this? Flashback to the OT, and his job is to redeem Vader and, in Yoda's words, "pass on what you have learned." He had done the former. The latter, his attempt, or so he'd thought, had failed. He saw the dark side rising and decided it was his fault. He didn't want to fall into the same pattern of the Jedi, who allowed Sidious to take over (as he notes) and so he goes into exile.

I could go on, but you get the point. Furthermore, Rian could not just rely on the safe touchstones that TFA and RO used to reconnect us to the Star Wars universe. He really needed to clear that stuff out, to "destroy the past" as Kylo says. We need to get back to being unsure of what will happen (the way we were back when the OT was coming out). He has done that.

Criticize him all you want, but at least try to understand what his goals were, and then go from there.

 

Oh no doubt! I gave up on individual issues (for many reasons) years ago. TPBs (or Hardcovers if I'm flush with cash ;-) ).

Puzzling. I personally don't see a sacrifice of Luke's character outside of the comedy bits. I guess, if I really think about it, Luke fans would have liked to have seen a purely happy ending for Luke instead of a bittersweet one. HOWEVER, as someone who really likes Luke a lot, I think there is still a very good chance he'll get a purely happy ending by the end of Episode IX. Even if Carrie Fisher was still around, they'd need Luke's Force Ghost to be a big part of the plot -- unless they just ignore logic the way a few bits of TLJ did =P

Yea, I'd heard about that one individual, but, that whole thing seems very fishy. I know enough about botnets to find it hard to believe RoTom (intential Pokemon reference) couldn't counter. Then again, those posts don't give us much details. Regardless, as someone who has been paying close attention since TFA, I find it undeniable that something was uniquely off about TLJ.

I'm going to see TLJ again tomorrow night. We'll see if a second viewing changes my opinion on the bits that I strongly-dislike. The parts that I love will probably shine even brighter. =) But, even saying that, should a movie (which aren't cheap to see) require multiple viewings to truly appreciate? I'd wager not.

 

Oh they feel like his character was murdered in cold blood. It's wild.

 

Things People Who Never Read the Expanded Universe Say: Volume 1

 

Things people who have ardent issues with people having differing opinions than them say

 

You mean TLJ's fanbase?

 

Lol. The anti-TLJ crowd that has people sending death threats to Rian Johnson. The anti-TLJ who are childishly spamming sites with bad reviews.
You know, the side that has done nothing but act like unrepentant children since it's release.

 

You mean like how the pro-TLJ crowd initiates in bouts of straw men and armchair psychology in order to discredit any criticism of the film?

 

Well you really want to compare spamming websites, creating petitions and sending death threats with forum arguments? I mean we can do that but you would lose that argument hysterically.

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Here let's get this over with: One side has sent death threats to a guy over a movie because of fictional events. That side is clearly the least rational side in any way shape or form. Nothing else short of actual violence compares. Done.

 

@Malus Dagoth @RoyleRancor

This is a pretty epic rap battle you two have going. ;-)

I mean, even if I don't agree with them, I can certainly empathize and I don't blame them. I really hate seeing fandom's split over these kinds of things. I would rather rally together, celebrate what we universally like, and be supportive in our disagreements. .... y'know, best as possible. ;-) I'm sure I throw the occasional shade in my moments of weakness. ..... just like Luke! =P

 

Death threats aside, what's wrong with these two? I mean, isn't the entire TLJ box office thread dedicated to talking about how these things are ultimately ineffectual? If so, why would you even group them together? That also seems rather ridiculous.

 

Death threats aside. Yes I too would like to throw out the absolute worst part of my argument as well. Solid work around.
Other than it's incredibly childish and weak-minded to get that upset over a fictional event?
Other than it's a sign that you take this blast way too seriously?

It's okay to not like it.
It's not okay to act like a child and think you deserve some sort of pat on the back or encouragement for it. You are just being a child. Nothing more. Nothing less.

And fwiw, most of the "pro-TLJ" folks on here seem much more interested in actual debate about things (not all) than the "anti-TLJ" folks (again, not all)

 

You mean the REYLO fanbase? I swear you go on tumblr and into the Last Jedi tag and that’s all you see.

 

No, I wasn't throwing it out. I'm just commenting on how odd it is to group death threats in with petitions and website spamming which you and plenty of others have claimed "is pointless and ineffectual". Just seems odd.

I agree.

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Yeah, them as well.

 

their effectiveness is irrelevant to their childishness and their intent. Obviously they mean nothing in the long run but it's so much lame childish effort being put out over a movie. If you want to put that effort into something, put it into something you like and your life will just get better. It's just a movie.
They get lumped together because right now, that's the "other" side from the people who liked the movie. By arguing that the people who have issues with others' opinions are the people who liked TLJ, all that crazy stuff gets lumped together.

Both sides have extreme assholes.
But don't act like people being pretentious twats on a forum is even close to sending Rian Johnson death threats and the effort put forth to spam RT ratings.

 

I disagree, though I'm sure a lot of this comes down to personal experience. But again, most of the pro arguments I've seen have been based on dismissing the people making the criticisms (man-child, stuck in the past, afraid of change, immature, etc). I don't see them citing quotes from the dialogue or structure from the script as supporting their side. Conversely, the criticisms I've seen have been able to specifically name what didn't work for them (the comedy, the plot decisions, some of the new characters or actors...... Canto Bight ;-) ).

Again, I'm sure there is a lot of personal bias at play. People (including myself) are going to notice certain things more than other things based on what we believe. I guess that's ultimately why I just want everyone to be cool about this stuff. I tend to play devil's advocate for whichever side I think is getting drowned out.

Can we not bring balance to the force? ;-) No one has the high ground here. =P [other tired puns]

 

My reaction:

 

Well it's hard for those to not be the arguments when people run around saying Luke had his character assassinated. But hey to each their own. I have things to do tonight so I'm logging off. This is more time and effort than I ever wanted to put into this.