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SPECULATION Nervous? Rogue One and its impact on Episode VIII

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by MarsPhoenix, Nov 2, 2016.

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    Just one question: why are you explicitly referring to German reviews? Maybe you should check out the other reviews too- you know just to get a more representative view of the situation...?
     
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    because I'm German, so I check the stuff from my own country first. :)
     
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    There is the same amount of promotion like 2015, Toy ads ect. for R1. They don't do Force Friday here because our xmas sales don't start that early and we are less of an consumer marklet, but in the internet you get everything you want and I saw the lineup in the shelfes, last year didn'T have a FFriday too. Germany did pretty well, the cinema owners I talked to said they have never seen anything like it.

    The ranking: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=starwars7.htm&sort=todateGross&order=ASC&p=.htm
    1. USA: 936 m $
    2. UK : 163 $
    3. China 124m
    4, Germany 111m
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    That doesn't give you the broader picture, the majority doesn't complain on the interwebs.
     
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    @Rieekan Last year there was a force friday in Germany (or did you mean a different country)?

    + never trust a statistic you did not fake yourself. :p
     
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    This.

    I just hope that, whatever it is the outcome of R1, TPTB listen to the Voice of the Customer and make the third stand-alone movie to be the Obi-Wan Kenobi most of us - as well as Ewan - want!

    Agree.

    True.

    And well... many pages have been filled with a lot of opinions on why TFA was a disaster from the perspective of some fans and how some other fans loved it. But we have to remember the wise words of Obi-Wan:

    "Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."
     
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    I loved TFA, and I noticed that most of the reactions were extremely positive. There are people who think J.J. Abrams played it a bit too safe by semi mirroring A New Hope, and I honestly can't discount those comparisons. However, all of the Star Wars fans I know personally, including some casual fans, all thoroughly enjoyed it. For those that didn't, well, all opinions matter. That's what makes the Star Wars community so great! :)
     
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    Perhaps my opinion Triggers some people? You've been warned. It's a speculation thread. Opinions are like arse holes, everybody has one.
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    TLDR;
    Daffy72 is a realist/borderline cynic.
    My answer to the question what impact Rogue One will have on Episode 8:
    I predict Rogue One is going to be vastly superior to TFA. Not make as much money and have a ripple effect of stories being more benign to appeal to the widest common denominator going forward. The larger the budget, the less risks they will take and the less interesting the story will be.
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    I'm of the same mindset I was when Disney first announced its plan to do a lot of Star Wars movies- like the Marvel movies. Some will be absolute sh*t but some will be quite good and will be re-watchable for years to come. FINALLY some good Star Wars again!

    I braced myself for Episode 7 to suck... I've never liked anything JJ Abrams has done and I still don't although I do concede he IS a competent movie maker. I just wish he would stick to directing and not get story input. I wish Dave Filoni and Pablo Hidalgo had final creative control over everything. The cartoons are the closest thing to 'Real' Star Wars we've gotten for a long time and they even helped to make the greatest stumbling blocks of the prequels somewhat palatable. The only reason I even had any hope that TFA might be good was because they were able to do it with Guardians of the Galaxy (and no, I didn't think TFA was as good as GotG). I'm in agreeance with the guys on South Park



    I'm actually SUPER stoked for Rogue One. A LOT MORE then I was for TFA. But then again I am often the complete opposite of GroupThink. Blame my totem animal Coyote for that one. I'm all for stand-alone stories told in this setting. It's not like we get a lot of space opera options outside of novels. It won't be as bad as the Transformer or Teminator franchises though. Hopefully we get a few good movies out of all it. That's all *I* care about really. Is it something *I* enjoy? Disney will make back their investment. They are already halfway there. I'm not a shareholder of Disney so why do I care?

    I still enjoy the original Marvel run of comics (1977-1984). I enjoyed some of the Westend Game supplements. I enjoy TCW and Rebels cartoons. I'll continue to pick and choose what I enjoy from the franchise. Hell I've even gotten hours of enjoyment out of the Plinkett reviews of the Prequels and the Robot Chicken and Auralnauts send ups. At the end of the day only *MY* opinion matters on what *I* enjoy or not in *MY* world. I also still hold out hope they will eventually make a traditional /cell-shaded animation show or movie, live action TV show, or maybe adapt the Old Republic in some fashion (movies/ tv / animation). I'd also like to see Cad Bane and Lumiya (Shira Brie) and more Ahsoka. Given enough time even a Chimp can write as good as Shakespere so -something- good will come out of it for me to enjoy.
     
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    I don't expect Rogue One to have that much of an influence. Disney has seen the film so they know what they have at this point. One would assume they liked what they saw since they spent more money for re-shoots.

    No one expects this movie to do the numbers TFA. It's going to do good numbers even if it's not very good film. It's a stand alone film so if it doesn't well it doesn't effect anything else.
     
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    If Rogue One fails to deliver the estimated box office numbers Disney are hoping for, it will impact the stand alone anthology movies more than anything.

    They will continue to go ahead with their full on marketing plan for Ep VIII knowing full well that word of mouth will be what makes them or break them in the weeks following the release.

    If Rogue One surpasses or hits the estimates? full speed ahead.

    Until they hit a brick wall.
     
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    Agreed. The standalones have more room for experiments. That is positive. The expectations are lower, also positiv. Relaxed theatre evening like every year nowadays, extremly positiv :D
     
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    Mars, I can always count on you to have a deeper and sometimes unique perspective on subjects, and this time you've read my mind. I too have noticed the lack of SW frenzy over this movie's release that is at our doorstep, and while I am excited about seeing it, my excitement is not in overdrive as it has always been for the saga movies. I personally was a bit uninterested in the anthology films when they were first announced because while they are going to tell us a SW backstory, that's all it is. I think that the hardline fans are MOST interested in seeing the progression of the main story line, without having to take a pit-stop to hear a side-note in the story...but they'll do it anyway if only once because it's Star Wars.

    Now that being said, I DO think that the "original fans" like myself are actually warming up to at least R1 as it's going to tell us HOW our favorite rebellion ended up making the trench run, but as far as (let's say) a Han Solo movie.....they can keep it because to me it seems sacrilegious to recast Solo. Yes, yes, I understand that it's his backstory and he's younger, but I feel repelled even by the mere thought of seeing someone trying to sell me on the idea that they're supposed to be a young HS, or even more...Harrison Ford...perhaps I just lack the vision, IDK.

    Now, I honestly believe (or at least greatly HOPE) that Disney/LFL doesn't have any "delusions of grandeur" about how great R1 (or ANY of the anthology flicks) will do at the box office. I think that THIS movie will do just fine, but certainly not make the giant haul that VII did, and I do think that they have a full understanding of that. With that, I really don't think that R1's box office performance (or lack of) will have any effect on the progression of VIII and or how the movie is assembled. The saga films are titans in their own right and LFL/Disney knows that, and the anthology films are merely serving to fill the voids and show us the events that we've only heard (or read) about during the progression of the main story....but I really don't believe that they'll have any negative impact on Skywalker's story going forward.

    Now, as I'm one of those that was in theaters in '77 and have been here ever since, I will personally tell you that I have VERY LITTLE interest in seeing a Solo movie, and/or a Fett film, NOT TO SAY that I won't see them, and honestly own them as part of my collection, but I'm only going to pay for that theater ticket ONCE, unlike the 9 times I saw VII. If they really want my money, they need to show me a Yoda and an Obi-Wan film. I fear that the Solo film (specifically) isn't going to do NEARLY as well with the core fans as they're hoping, which may shift their focus on anthology storytelling....but I digress....

    As far as reshoots...maybe. I think that with this influx of different directors that have different styles, there are going to be lessons learned with the anthology movies specifically, and while "X" may have seemed like a good idea at the time, it may not work so well on the next movie and thusly, reshot.

    I could continue to blather on about this, but it would just be "Blathering". :)
     
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    after 2yrs and 2k posts... do you really think we'd be bothered about the blathering now? :p hehe

    the reason most of us aren't too bothered about anthology films is that we all crave new story and new characters. R1 gives us some new characters and fills in a few 'blanks'.. but it's nothing like a brand new SW episode. I imagine that the Han Solo film will be very fast paced, and full of comedy... that's fine and i'll be in the queue to see it on opening night as usual, but i won't look forward to it like ep8 and ep9.
     
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    ROGUE ONE IS GOING TO AMAZING MMMKAY.
     
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    Don't think it will matter. R1 is going to do well. It will likely be the biggest film of December and hold the #1 spot for 2-3 weeks straight.

    I know several "casual" SW fans at work and family (including wife and kiddos) who don't frequent forums, read novels, etc...and they all want to go see it.

    Not TFA big, but still - a very successful film.

    It will have no impact on the ST and likely confirm that if done right, you can in fact have original story SW movies with a different feel.

    Personally - I'm looking forward to it. I want 8 more, but this will be a cool movie. Vader is in it, Mon Mothma is in it, Bail and Tarkin are likely in small cameos - and we get good space/land battles. And lots of Empire-y stuff...it's worth opening night to me. Might not go again, (unless it really rocks) but I'll be there the first weekend.
     
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    I couldn't agree more with you about the Han Solo film. It IS NOT HAN SOLO if Harrison Ford isn't playing the role. That's all I have to say about that.
     
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    I am nervous for Rogue One because its box office intake will be compared to that of TFA.
    I am almost wiling to bet money that Rogue One will not make nearly the same amount of cash The Force Awakens generated, mainly because Star Wars is no longer "new" anymore. TFA was the first SW movie in over ten years. (By comparison, The Phantom Menace made the most money of the prequels because it was the first, despite the fact ROTS was the most critically received.) My prediction is that Rogue One will make 300-or-so domestically with another 400-or-so international with a grand total of 700 million, which is less than a third of the money TFA made, but still a huge hit.

    My worry, however, is that Rogue One will under-perform these conservative expectations because there will be little cash for families to spend after they take their kids to see Moana, Fantastic Beasts, Trolls, and Dr. Strange. Even though 700 million worldwide is a huge number, it is still less than the worldwide gross of "Secret Life of Pets." This is precisely the same reason Batman vs. Superman was called a "bomb" even though it made roughly 900 million dollars worldwide: because it was unfairly compared to Avengers that did over a billion dollars.

    I am rooting for Rogue One to win, not just because it's Star Wars but because it will be one of the few blockbuster hits starring a lead female. Other than Finding Dory and Zootopia, 2016 has been brutal for movies starring females in lead roles. Some of the year's biggest bombs in the US, Ghostbusters, Alice Through the Looking Glass, BFG, Snow White and the Huntsman 2, the latest Bridget Jones movie, etc have all starred women in the lead roles. This is a trend that must change.
     
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    Yeah - and that's the problem with a race/gender based world-view.

    You want the film to succeed because it has a woman...and you are upset about the other films flopping with women.

    News flash - Fembusters bombed because it's dog crap.

    Seriously? Look no further than TFA itself to see that movies with female leads can do well. Or the Hunger Games films more recently. Or Alien series in the past...

    People have no problem with female characters or female leads...if the film is good.

    That should be what your aim is - that there are good, quality films made and that there are women in them.

    Not that any big movie with women is a hit just "because grrrrllll power."
     
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    I hear you, but the fact remains: any blockbuster film with a female lead is a rare sight, and I celebrate each one. It is not a sin to root for films for this reason. If a person likes westerns, for example, he or she would naturally laud the efforts of every western that comes out (since this genre is not as popular as it was in the 50s.) I disagree with your description of Ghostbusters as "Fembusters" too, but I'll look past it...

    I walk into the theater with the expectation that EVERY film is good. Some of the films I named with females as the stars this year were actually pretty good, not "dog crap" as you called it. For example: The BFG.
     
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    If a person likes westerns, then they should bloody well like there to be good westerns coming out in theaters.

    Not "lauding" or "celebrating" in millenial-style "everything gets a trophy" fashion a fricking film for simply existing. Sorry. No.

    Fembusters had queef jokes, black stereotype "ghetto" characters, denied the previous films by having the old cast be new random characters, and literally ended with the heroines shooting the bad man in the crotch to kill him. It was lambasted for good reason.

    Bridget Jones and her films are garbage as well. (BFG would likely be a fair point, I like most of Spielberg's works and it was a good book. Benefit of the doubt given there)

    Bottom line: I would never want a film to succeed "just because" it had some element I cared about...if the film is crap, then it lowers the quality of all those types of films (westerns, sci-fi, female lead films, etc...) and eventually people stop making them.

    Again, you are better off supporting quality films with females rather than bemoaning the fact that bunk chick-flicks were a bomb at the box office.

    But, to each their own. MTFBWY.
     
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    After the release of The Force Awakens, it renewed my interest in the Star Wars Franchise, mainly because of the possibility of the return of the OT Cast. Was also excited about the new cast members as well and kept up with the latest news, trailers, etc. I enjoyed the movie even though I, too, felt that it was a bit of a rehash and some elements weren't necessary. Overall, I liked it very much which makes me very excited for Episode VIII.

    In terms of the stand alones, I wasn't really interested in Rogue One at first due to the hype of TFA. However, with new info and trailers, I find myself much more interested and looking forward to R1. Not in the same level of excitement as E8, but nonetheless, it's peaked my interest and my movie friends have planned that Saturday of the premiere week to see it.

    IF R1 bombs (which I don't think it will), I believe it won't affect EP8 so much as the Han Solo Movie, and maybe have Lucasfilm go back to the drawing board in terms of merchandising and marketing strategy. If anything, it may impact EP8 in terms of teaser, title and trailer release. Maybe earlier? (Won't happen till January at the earliest (February, I"m betting).

    IF it does do well, it'll be a boost for Episode V!!! in terms of hype for the franchise AND bolster the value of the stand alones.

    So it's interesting that my interest in Rogue One has increased, but not at the level of EP8.

    I do believe that there are high expectations for EP8. The wisest thing for Lucasfilm to do is take their time with EP8, make it fresh and new, develop the new characters and honour the OT cast by weaving their stories through the new character arcs, and continuing them in EP9. AND, don't make it hokey. (I know a lot of people don't like to hear this, but if they decide to remove the OT cast even though they are supportive roles), I think that'll be a grave mistake for EP9.
     
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