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SPECULATION Nervous? Rogue One and its impact on Episode VIII

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by MarsPhoenix, Nov 2, 2016.

  1. nightangel

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    Could not have said it better. ;)
     
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    Thanks Nightangel,

    I wanted to add that I'm under no illusion that the Sequel Trilogy is about the new generation. People have grown paranoid of a major death each sequel now. It's like throwing the baby out with the bath water as the saying goes. My hope is to keep the OT characters in a supportive capacity until EP 9.
     
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    I for one will continue celebrating female-led films whenver they appear, no matter how few. And I don't think feminism is a bad word. Obviously, the high-quality the film is, the greater the chance I will re-watch it; the paradox is that what consists of a "good" movie is in the eye of the beholder (example: Bridget Jones is actually a pretty big hit in England. Its performance in that country may actually make a profit in the end. I'm sure there have been raunchy films that contained "queef" jokes too, not to defend that kind of humor, but it is present in films that went on to make lots of money....)

    The same goes with Star Wars. Not everything that is coming out through Disney is of the highest quality, but I like it nonetheless because it's Star Wars.
     
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    i know it may sound cynical, but i'm pretty sure R1 is just a really great way to continue using Vader to make lots of money. i'm sure it'll be a fun little action movie, but all they're really doing is cashing in on some of the IP that they purchased from GL. same goes for the Solo solo: they want to make some coin off of the characters they purchased, but since both characters are dead they're stuck with awkward prequel-esque material that doesn't really add anything particularly new to the saga.

    i'm projecting that i'll feel pretty lukewarm about R1 upon seeing it. it'll be like a Marvel movie: cool to see some super heroes running around, but not the best in terms of unique and compelling story telling. to all you Marvel fans, i'm not trying to be negative, but the majority of those films are pretty meh. they're entertaining and all, but definitely not much more than your standard blockbuster w/ romance and jokes and fights and blah blah blah.

    if R1 bombs, gets awful reviews, and no one sees it a second time then i would imagine a pretty aggressive marketing push for ep 8 to keep the train moving. i doubt this will happen though; like the Marvel movies, people will go see it and enjoy the spectacle of space battles and Vader choking people out. and it honestly will be fun to see that stuff again, after all.

    if R1 is a modest success then i'm sure things will continue as they are. more stand alone films will be made showcasing Star Wars IP from yesteryear and everyone will go along with it because nostalgia. it probably won't have any effect on ep 8 marketing though, or on people's view of that upcoming film.

    if R1 is a raging success then they'll definitely start milking all sorts of stuff from the wide catalog purchased from GL. again, ep 8 probably won't get any special changes to their probably existing marketing plan, but we'll be sure to start hearing about more projects coming down the pipeline.

    the more i think about it the more i wonder at what sort of universe building they have in store for us come ep 8 & 9. if they're smart they'll start introducing characters, factions, and plot devices into the remainder of the ST so as to create a wider universe to pull stand alone stories from. they can only create so many post-PT/pre-OT prequel films before they start beating a dead horse. i mean, if they do go ahead with a Fett/OB1 film then that's already a mid-trilogy trilogy. what next, a trilogy between OT and ST? they've got to start cooking up some new stuff, is my point.

    anyway, MTFBWY
     
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    @Here, thanks for your insightful and intelligent replies. It's a pleasure reading you all.

    From what I read from long time Star Wars fans rings a bell to me.

    We LOVE Star Wars... we got onboard with the stories of Luke, Leia and Han back in the late 70s, early 80s. We fell in love with these characters.
    We felt maybe a little "disconnected" with the Prequels because it wasn't the continuation of these three characters, instead, it was the story of Obi Wan & Anakin.
    I must admit, I am a Prequel fan. I loved these movies. Phantom Menace was painful for most of its run but I enjoyed Attack of The Clones and loved Revenge of the Sith. BUT, at that time, I was resigned to be attached to STAR WARS as a BRAND & A Universe.

    Then THE FORCE AWAKENS came... with the continuation of the story of my favorite characters and hero models when I was a kid.
    Then I fall in love AGAIN with these characters. It's becoming personal again. And I fell in love with the new characters too... Finn, Rey, Poe, BB-8...

    In parallel, I started watching REBELS... and again, great characters I care about... and I fell in love with them and watch every episode... and there is always a new one (continuation) week after week, season after season.

    I want to see more from these characters... and I have the promise of a follow-up.

    Star Wars was always meant to be an hommage to the old serials, right?


    Then comes the Anthology movies. "Standalone" movies.
    One that has no tomorrow for the characters.

    I now realize that my passion for Star Wars has nothing to do with the technology, weaponry, planets, action, soundtrack...etc...
    It's all about the characters, their past, present...and future.

    Maybe that is why I am disconnected from ROGUE ONE, even if I have the feeling it will be a GREAT Star Wars movie.
    If it fails... probably it won't have an impact on Episode VIII since we can consider both as 2 different things (SERIAL VS STANDALONE MOVIE).
    X-Files was a successful TV series but sort of failed at the Box Office as a standalone movie.

    It might have marketing impact though for the Star Wars market outside the niche.
    There are a LOT of people out there crazy about Star Wars as a universe and brand.

    But for some of us, EPISODE VIII is like the next Walking Dead episode, or the next Stranger Things season... WE WANT MORE FROM THE CHARACTERS.
    ROGUE ONE is not the remedy. It's a... helps us wait for another year.
     
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    I think that the future of the anthologies are going to be decided by these 2 movies. Rogue One other than a limited role has Vader. If it bombs and then Solo does well then you can bet that a Saga character will be headlining them going forward.
     
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    No matter what happens with Rogue One, Episode VIII will be huge. In the case that Rogue One sucks, hardcore star wars fans will just be even more excited for a trilogy movie because we already know that Disney can do it. For the non star wars fans, A crappy Rogue One won't scare them away. I think it will leave them confused as to why this was ever a movie, and they will want to go see episode VIII because they saw VII, loved it, and want to tie up loose ends.

    A great Rogue one will absolutely increase the hype for episode VIII.
     
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    Another question could be (but doesn't belong to this thread):

    If ROGUE ONE is a GREAT Star Wars movie... being a "Prequel" to A New Hope...
    Will it then become the New Starting point of many Star Wars fans in Star Wars marathons?
    Will it lower the love factor for the Prequels?
     
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    nope, since the story of the Skywalkers are the PT + OT + ST. These are the most important stories and everything else is just random/filler to expand the universe. ;)
     
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    The R1 trailer came on the other night and my wife said "so, this is them stealing the plans to the Death Star? Really? That's all they could come up with?"

    I think she may be a leading indicator of the average person's opinion that it's not always a good thing to make a Star Wars movie just because you can. I hope I'm wrong and it's awesome. If it isn't, it might actually hurt VIII.
     
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    For me personally, their is an enthusiasm gap between R1 and VIII. I'm excited about R1 but just not as much as VIII. From all that we have seen so far I think R1 is going to be a great movie. That being said I'm just not super fired up about it. After contemplating this, I have come to the conclusion that it is because I know what is flooding to happen. They steal the plans and get them to Leia. It will be interesting to see how it happens,and who lives and who dies but at the end of the day I know the end result.

    With VIII, we don't know what is going to happen. I want to know more about the new characters and what there future holds. Right now it is a complete mystery and that's exciting.

    It is just not a stand alone vs saga issue either. I am also super excited about the Han Solo movie. Mostly because I'm excited to see where they go with Han's backstory, how he meets Chewbacca, and what his relationship with Lando is.

    Although my excitement doesn't reach the others, I am looking forward to R1 and I don't think I'll be disappointed in the end. As I have said before, I don't think the success or lack there of will effect VIII in any way.
     
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    There is no way on God's green Earth that R1 is going to bomb. It will probably make less than TFA, and probably no SW film going forward will make as much as TFA. That was a really good anomaly.

    And those saying 'I'm not going to see R1 in the theater' are just nuts. Of course you are.

    Even though we know the skeleton of the story (it was conceived from ONE LINE of ANH's opening crawl) we don't know the gritty details.

    From what I've seen in the trailers, etc, it looks pretty fun! And I'm the biggest SW skeptic around. R1 looks like a film directed by someone who was truly inspired by the originals, and I'm hoping it makes more than TFA, but I'm confident it won't.

    It's the same problem I have with anyone saying "No SW film will ever be as good as Empire." Well I hope ALL of them are better than Empire! (My favorite is Empire btw). But I want the new films to soar to newer and better heights!
     
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    I actually think the Standalone Movies will temper expectations for Episode 8 & 9 because we won't have 3 years to mull every rumor, speculation, etc. I say this because of Rogue One hype this year, I honestly haven't even bothered to check on any spoilers for Episode 8. While I am more excited for Episode 8 then Rogue One, I'm still in Rogue One mode right now. Which only leaves 12 months of Episode 8 hype next year compared to 36 months of hype between the Prequels, so it will be a fast turnaround from each movie now.
     
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    I'd say that the recent positive buzz about this movie should allay fears about it not doing well and any effect on VIII
     
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    they're latest marketing push is being promoted really heavily just in case.
     
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    I'm perplexed by all the people suggesting that R1 could possibly be a flop in theatres.

    It's definitely no TFA, but there's no way it'll be a flop. It's got the SW name, plus it's already broken certain ticket presale records.

    It may not be what every fan wants to see, but it's gonna rake in some serious cash.

    Personally, I'm very excited to see it.
     
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    Ok.... first reviews out (sort of)... the vibe and critics so far are over the top. It got me excited to see the movie this week. :)

    - Empire Strikes Back good
    - Most exciting Star Wars since 1977
    - etc...etc..

    That plus the tremendous success of R1 in presales.

    So, what kind of impact THIS will have on Episode 8 now.
    Looks like Rogue One is going to be heck of a movie folks.
     
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    I think the anticipation for VIII is already very high. I think R1 being really good will just help continue driving the anticipation for VIII.
     
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    The story group can use the success of Rogue One to justify expanding the universe. Star Wars films can be good even without ever character being a Skywalker or a Jedi. Good storytelling trumps everything else.
     
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    I still look more forward to VIII, but if Rogue One is a great movie I won't complain. :)
     
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