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New and old vehicles in Rogue One

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Star Dude, Apr 12, 2016.

  1. Star Dude

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    AT-AT from teaser trailer – a third model?


    In Rebels season 2, already a second (earlier?) model of the AT-AT was presented, of coursed based on the original Ralph McQuarrie concept. That one differing mostly in the following points.


    Cockpit design:

    - having the view port placed a bit more to the top in difference to the ‘classic ESB/ROTJ model (port more to the middle), also not as protruding then that model
    - having a less rounded cranium
    - protruding armor covering the vulnerable neck
    - both the chin and the side cannons look quite different

    Main body:
    - overlapping sections to the front also covering the vulnerable neck
    - a rear facing turret

    ATAT_REB.jpg ATAT_ESB.jpg

    Now, within the Rogue One trailer we see probably something like a third kind of design. Having a head design like a hybrid of to the one from rebels and ESB, and the body more like in ESB.

    ATAT_RG1_01.jpg ATAT_RG1_02.jpg

    So why sticking with the correct details for the Imperial Star Destroyer Class 1, but varying the AT-AT. Or is it just unfinished work on the CGI model?!
     
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    Well I guess the design of a star destroyer is a fairly lengthy process & is likely to have been over deaigned from the start as it is also intended to be a symbole of imperial power while that of a AT-AT is more of a continuous upgrading of the design as you find out how it performs in the field.
     
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    Well, that would explain that at some point of time later the Class 2 ISD was built after a more lengthy ‘improvement cycle’.
     
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    For the walkers - the “All Terrain Armored Cargo Transport” AT-ACT is confirmed as a new vehicle variant.
     
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    Not sure why there are so many variants . Also, you would think we would see some Y-Wings as well.
     
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    Because the empire can;). Now they make a new model and people want to see something old and familiar, Star Wars fans are hard to please;). No one said there are no Y-wings, we just saw some glimpses of the movie. But actually we saw some in the last book leak and some speculated that the second canopy here looks like a Y-wing. Enough to stay positive that they are there.
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    It could also be simply to sell more toys ;) but really they need to show SOME sort of progress in the walkers like how George attempted to show precursors to the original trilogy
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    And those weren't meant to be toy selling, right ;). They can't show more "progress" because we saw the ones in Empire and Rebels, you can't just break the continuity for spectacle. It is more about evolution not revolution and that C could mean something for the story. I mean what kind of cargo makes them necessary in that environment..kind of interesting when you think about it.
     
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    Well ever since Disney bought the franchise, they want to make money ;). But yeah, I get what you're saying, I agree that it's more for evolution but it should be for the sake of the story. The ones we see in this trailer/teaser/whatever is in a desert-tropical climate so for it to move faster it would be taller sort of like a low drag coefficency for the AT-ATs so that it can walk through and mow people down much quicker to transport whatever it's carrying...and it's change for Hoth is that it didn't need to be as heavily fortified and fast in ESB because they probably underestimated its abilities to be "invulnerable" or something like that.
     
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    Disagree, Star Wars was the first movie with toys along the release and GL made much more money with toys then with the films, forbes estimates around 20 bil. We know you like your Disney but get real, making money wasn't invented by D.
     
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    Oh I really absolutely despise Disney for the most part (not entirely though) and I totally agree with you that George pretty much started merchandising tie-ins with movies...but I was just saying that Disney buying LFL was because of that exact thing you said about $20 BIL which adds cushioning to their bottom line now if they were able to do that by making vehicles with barely any explanation like this then they will be sold easily and make over that figure.
     
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    Yeah we got it you don't like Disney:(. What I mean is, that not all things need to be explained if they don't matter in a story, I'm sure the C in AT-ACT get's an explanation, aliens and other toys may not need one in a 2h movie. Whatever you mean with explanation, the cantina aliens, like snaggletooth didn't get much more exposition then Zuvio for example, what's the big deal or difference?
     
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    As per the new Lego reveals, also the AT-ST seem to make it’s come back. And the Empire seems to have a black Commando Shuttle, probably for the Death Troopers.

    R1_Lego_Vehicles.png

    The 'tank' is listed as “Unnamed Imperial Speeder”, although in the trailer it seems to be track driven, and not a repulsorlift vehicle at all.
    ImpTank_02.png
     
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    From the celebration’s costumes and models expositions, a view more glimpses on the new vehicles could be taken.

    Look at the TIE Striker. With the prolonged pod and the wing attachments, could it be that the wings can fold up when landing (like some original concepts for the first Order TIE’s), and spilling forth troops from the large compartment? Maybe that’s a homage to the original TIE bomber design, as they were a concept from A New Hope for a boarding craft.
    TIE_Striker.jpg


    The new imperial shuttle looks intriguing. From the appearance, I assume it’s some kind of stealth ship used by the death troopers.
    ImpStealthShuttle.jpg


    And could it be that the All Terrain Armored Cargo Transport has something like a giant (orange) container inserted in the rump section? Maybe used to haul cargo/resources gathered across the planet Scarif to a shuttle launch pad to be shipped further on to the Death Star construction site.
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    More details from the Star Wars Show on the U-wing.

    The INCOM UT-60D on Yavin 4
    UWing_01.jpg

    Confirmed as a troop transport and gunship to bring in rebel troops to heavy fire zones and extract them as quick as possible, also providing air support.

    UWing_06.jpg

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    It features convertible wings, they can be moved depending on the situation.

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    And the original concept art
    UWing_07.jpg
     
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    That ship is sexy as hell. Does it remind some of you of the Gradius Fighter?
     
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    I'm afraid the U-Wing is that kind of "new ship" we didn't get in TFA. In terms of design, that ship could really make the difference. It's cool as hell, and it fits very well in the SW universe. It will be probably used as the "Millennium Falcon" of this movie.
     
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    My thought process on the issue of ships changing through the saga is this. The prequels were scorned for not having our beloved vehicles, but it was a different time. Are our military vehicles or our civilian vehicles the same as they were 30 years ago? Nope and nope. Similar, but easily distinguished apart from each other. Add to that a war, where an entire galaxy is affected, not to mention these vehicles were probably not made in the same factory, let alone the same planet, so there are many differences. Even more from movie to movie because of time frames and resources. So they will change in design for the better. And they can sell me more toys.
     
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    Actually the problem I had with the prequel vehicles was that so many of them looked significantly more advanced in design than those from the OT films. IMHO, there was way too much designing strictly for cool visuals than there was designing for continuity with how the tech would logically have tended to develop.
     
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    What I liked about some of the prequels vehicles is that they used old design from the 70’s/80’s which did not make it on film or were an early draft of later used ones, like the Juggernaut from which the AT-AT was developed. In term of continuity, it fits. Well, at least partly for those vehicles.

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