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New character/vehicle information released.

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Benjamin Lewis, May 17, 2016.

  1. Amanaman

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    It's not that I want to complain and be the negative one here and I do love the new ship designs, but are we all forgetting that this movie is a prequel? Why make awesome new ships and gear that is just going to mysteriously disappear? Where did all the Tie Strikers go when the Rebels decided to attack the Death Star? What about the Tanks that the Stormtroopers now have? They had such advanced technology that they used tanks to blast a few Rebels yet they prefered to send their Stormtroopers on lizards to do something incredibly important as finding the Death Star plans???

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    Listen carefully men. There are a few Rebels trying to resist our rule. Take them out.

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    Yes sir! Deploy the tanks!!!

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    Trooper 007129 D-R-U-N-K! This is the Emperor calling! Those Rebel scum have stolen the plans to the Death Star! Gather your men and locate them asap. This mission takes priority over everything else. I want this done as quickly as possible! Do you understand?

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    Humm let's see.....fastest and most effective wa......way to do this mission.........
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    Well this certainly sucks.....
     
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    It's weird to me how they are firing WHITE lasers...does anyone else think that's a bit odd?
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    Also the reason we don't see them in The OT is probably because we just didn't visit those parts of The Galaxy and focused more on The main characters.
     
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    My coworker and I had this same discussion early this morning and that was his take; that you can't introduce new ships like this and never have them show up in the OT or sequels unless they have a new special edition and put them in. My idea is that it's not like we were able to see everything the empire had during the OT timeline.
     
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    Good questions, and here is some more:

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    All X-wing fighters during the Battle of Yavin featured only this particular TIE fighter symbol in their targeting displays.

    Assuming the TIE Striker was a widespread TIE variation in the days before ANH I could believe that the Rebel engineers decided to use its silhouette as the standard TIE fighter pictogram, but - alas - the TIE Striker doesn't even remotely resemble it. :(
     
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    The answer you're looking for is: it's just a movie.

    When you make a prequel to a 40 yo movie, you just have to force something, or the risk is to give the same things again and again. Maybe the scenes with the new starfighters will take place in a planet far away from those in ANH. The galaxy is big enough to contain some new ship.
     
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    Wow, that's a pretty considerable leak. Looks like someone really screwed up. Photos of sets from hundreds of feet away and cast members in tarps to cover their costumes are one thing. But these are the actual images from the book, obviously provisional images, but they're not cellphone photos off a screen either. Looks like Lucasfilm has a mole.
     
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    I suspect it's not a serious leak and that we were going to have this info shortly anyhow. Didn't someone like MSW say as much recently? That there wasn't going to be such a lock down on things for this film since we don't know these characters?

    The tinfoil hat manifesto guy in a cabin inside my head even wonders if this wasn't deliberate to pump that hype back up again. LFL has Disney marketing behind it now, so they know how to play the internet for hype.
     
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    What I found interesting was the two "furry" characters that were described as the Groot/Rocket Racoon of this movie.
     
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    But a good director takes care of such things. Have you ever seen The thing? First we got the 1982 version and it wasn't until 2011 that the prequel came along. That's a whole 29 years and if it weren't for the special effects on the creature itself, you would think you were back in 1982 again.
    Look at the helicopter used in 1982
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    And now look at the one from 2011
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    The same can be said of the snowcat. Here's the 1982 version that the Americans used.
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    And here's the 2011 version that the Norweigans used.
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    Two different countries two different Snowcats yet they are incredibly similar in design.

    Now it's ok that we all love SW and we want to see new stuff and all but doesn't saying that ''maybe the ships were in different parts of the galaxy'' seem like a cop-out? The Tie Fighters from ANH are the simple crappy everyday models but these Tie Strikers are more advanced. Are we supposed to believe that the ultimate power in the galaxy (Death Star) that was the base of two of the most important people in the Empire (Darth Vader and Grand Moff Tarkin) would not be filled with advanced fighters and they would just supply it with the junky craft? Wouldn't it be logical that at least Vader's wingmen piloted Tie Stikers?
     
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    STAR WARS: Rogue One HEAVY SPOILER Pics! Part 1

     
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    I'm sure the books and Story Group will make everything clear in time...
     
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    I have never watched the 2011 Thing - actually, I didn't know it really existed. So, thank you :)

    But SW has a pretty huge universe, so it's not so important every thing have to match perfectly. Even in SW Rebels we see a lot of new secondary imperial ships. One could easily think the Empire was using them to do some daily mission around the galaxy, leaving the huge ones to protect the really big deals, like the Death Star. It's not so hard to believe.

    The new TIE seems a sort of a TIE Interceptor prototype. Mybe it's connected with the Death Troopers, and we're going to see some special imperial forces made by DT and Strikers. Same thing for the "U-Wing". Pablo Hidalgo will easily find a way to justify everything.
     
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    I concur. The trailer has been shown in theaters, right? But what further information on Rogue One could average moviegoers find? The leak is perfect, it has clear graphics that instantly enable you to tell the "good guys" from the "bad guys" apart plus some extra information of things to come.

    That doesn't look like a coincidence to me, especially as it makes a LOT of sense.

    I definitely hope so. If the TIE Striker belongs exclusively to these guys - which we also didn't see again in the OT - I could bring myself to believe it, perhaps.
     
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    But the problem is that sometimes there are things that simply can't be justified even though I am aware that fans usually don't care much about this as long as they are fed what they want.

    I was a fan of comics for since I was a kid and I have had many friends that were collectors as well. We all shared our love for comic books together but as the years went by I started noticing how the big companies didn't really care about their fans and they only cared about making money and yet they took advantage of the fanbase because most of them are zombies. A new title would come out ( Let's name it Greedo X just for fun) and they would get this awesome artist and a great storyteller to work on the book. Fans everywhere would get hooked and they would become fans quickly. Greedo X is affordable at $1.99 so it would start making money quickly and everyone would love him. Once the big companies realize that fans are hooked, they know that as long as they get their ''brains'' the zombies don't care about the quality of the ''food'' they are getting. The company would them take the awesome artist and storyteller and move them to work on Sexy Warrior Padme so that they can grab more victims and they put this artist to work on Greedo X that looks like his drawing skills come from a child from kindergarten. I would get really bummed by this yet everyone would blindly follow Greedo X saying that they don't care that the comic doesn't look so good as long as the story is well told.

    The next move the company makes is changing Greedo X's awesome storyteller with the little 5 year old girl next door and the price tag is $4.99 and yet people blindly dish out their hard earned money in a brainless form just because they want to follow Greedo X even if he has reached a point where he really sucks. They can even put the family dog to be the one who scribbles Greedo X and fans will still argue that he is awesome! A few of us may argue at the quality of the book but the company will play it off by saying that the reason that Greedo X looks like it was drawn by a five year old is because the story is taking place in a odd Bizarro world and they want the comic to reflect that both in look and storytelling. Fans go crazy saying that is awesome and they already feel that the company justified the lack of quality even though this is just a lame excuse on their part.

    Now this is where my fear for the future of SW kicks in. Does Disney really care about the story many of us have grown up with or is this just another goldmine and nothing more? This is sad for me and yet what makes me feel even worst is the fact that I know how devoted fans are and even if Disney grabs a piece of poop and sticks two jiggly eyes on it and calls it a brand new SW alien named Fecus Craipo and writes stories about him, the majority of fans will dish out $30.00 to buy their Fecus Craipo action figure and they will waste tons of money on his merchandise fully oblivious that he's just a piece of poop just because he has a SW logo on him.

    Why should Disney mess with the story of the OT? Isn't that the main reason that many fans say they hate the PT? Adding this awesome new tech to a prequel movie and just giving us the excuse that we didn't see none of that in the OT because it was a few parsecs away from what we saw in ANH is really insulting for me. Sure there are many fans that as long as they get something SW they really don't care if they destroy all continuity but for me that is pretty hurtful yet what good is my opinion and that of a few people like me if they are just blindly going to follow SW no matter if Disney ruins it? That's why I sometimes laugh at those who say they hate the prequels. How many of them have I met that SAY they hate the PT with a passion but when you dig a little deeper you find out that they saw each prequel movie in the theatre 10 times! For real? It takes a person 10 times of watching said movie to finally realize that it sucks?

    But what more can I say so I'll leave it here. By the way and changing the subject, if you did like the 1982 Thing movie then be sure you check out the 2011 one. It's really cool so let me know what you think about it. :)
     
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    As a fan I understand you.

    But Disney is not directly writing the "new" SW stories. Lucasfilm Story Group is doing, and it is something George Lucas never did. So, to me, we can sleep peacefully, and be sure that SW will reach a level of complexity never reached by any movie franchise (even Marvel movies have some huge plot hole).

    The real question is: are the movies going to tell us this things? I loved TFA, but I didn't like the "red arm" affaire. It was like hearing 3-PO saying: "Hey, guys! Buy my brand new comic issue! Coming soon to your galaxy!". I've forgiven it because it's a really stupid thing, but if they do this with some huge plot detail? Like Lor San Tekka? We can only wait, and hope.

    This is the reason why I don't care so much about the new ships. They belong to the lore, not to the plot, and the Story Group can justify them with some very little expedient. Maybe, in Rogue One we will see just one of those "U-Wings", and maybe the TIE Strikers will be presented as the forefathers of the TIE Interceptors. There is an entire Story Group thinking about this nerdy things, LOL.

    The situation was pretty worse when George had the monopoly on the entire franchise. And, in fact, the continuity between the PT and the OT was pretty unrealistic.

    PS: just to do some conversation: I like the way Abrams reintroduced the X-Wings and the TIE fighters in TFA. It's realistic that some versatile ships made it through 30 years. They are much more powerful, but similar in the aesthetics. The X-Wings are the ultimate fighters in the galaxy, so... why someone has to change them? On the other hand, I don't realize how the Empire changed the huge ARC starfighters with those extremely fragile TIE fighters. This is unrealistic.
     
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    I'm with you on the idea that changing the ARC Starfighters with sucky cheap Tie's was unrealistic. Speaking of wich, though I do love the PT as much as the OT, continuitywise, it always bothered me how they just seemed to completely trash one ship design in one movie in favor of a new one the next. We still see cars running around that come from the time of our grandfather's grandfather and yet in just a few years, every single Star Destroyer that was used in the Clone Wars was trashed just so that the new ones could appear.
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    If you compare a car from the '80s and a car from now, you realize that they changed in power, but the aesthetic is not so different. It's a more rounded and clean aesthetic, more compact too. The Resistance X-Wings are the "city car version" of the original ones :)
     
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    Ha Ha true. It's cool that we will be seeing A-Wings in episode 8.
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    Can't wait to see how they perform on screen.
     
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    I can understand your concerns about Disney milking the cash cow, however, is the solution to only use the same tie fighters and same old Xwings over and over? Keeping things fresh but reminiscent of the OT is what I believe they are trying to do. While I may distrust Disney, I keep in mind that Kathleen Kennedy and her crew were all part of the original movies, and use the same FX crew and even their children work there now. They are passionate about making Star Wars as a legacy and take it personal. While we may not agree with their direction of storytelling, you really can't say they all are just doing it for the money. Dave Filoni is a great example of a Lucasfilm employee who is passionate about the OT star wars and even uses a lot of McQuarrie designs in Rebels to keep that original look and feel that we Generation Xers grew up with in the 80's. I do agree that the old Kenner toys and figures of were of better design then the new Hasbro figures being put out, however. The Power of the Force line from the mid 90's if my favorite line for the ships and creatures, and are much more detailed. I wish they would let them make a Kylo Ren shuttle. And, lastly, I do also think the new toy lines are over priced for fans. Here it is $20 USD for each 6 inch Black Series figure.
     
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