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New concept of the Force.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by McDiarmid, Jun 7, 2017.

  1. McDiarmid

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    Thank you I am encouraged by positive respones of many.
     
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    And I think we , possibly, found even a being that has caused greatest schism of the One Force in its history.

    Novel Thrawn, this book is immense in it signficiance now I recon.

    Thrawn himself mentions a threat "more evil than the Empire, and far more dangerous to all living beings" that exists in unknown regions of the galaxy .

    I do not have words to express significance of this find ( if i did understand it correcty).

    I think we all know who this being, the threat most likely is.

    He is "dangerous to all living beings",

    if the Force creates life, makes is grow (Yoda)

    than this one has made antithesis to the main property of the Living Force

    than this one has turned the part of the main flow of the Force in different direction, eons ago, and that one could be the very source of the Dark Side, one that Palpatine felt, as the "source of the Dark side"outside the borders of known galaxy(Aftermath)

    Snoke.(if we change just one letter, its Snake which in Abrahamic tradition has done almost the same thing)

    [​IMG]
     
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    The dark side of the force was present in the Jedi Temple because they built over a destroyed Sith temple that was long forgotten. The past force users affected and strengthened the dark side energies in that location which has carried on through the decades.
    Even Palpatine states the Jedi have no idea they sit on top of an ancient Sith site of worship. It's hard to say empirically how the force would behave if there weren't any previous meddlings
     
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    Exacly, in the novel Tarkin (canon) for a 5000 years nobody entered the secret Sith shrine burried beneath Jedi Temple on Coruscant.

    Palpatine as first to enter it, using help of Drooid 11-4D which he inherited from his master Darth Plageis the Wise.

    Sith shrine was totaly unknownt to the Jedi, and it helped Palpatine to hide his Darks Side presence from them for decades.
     
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    GREAT QUESTION?
     
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    It is a rumor for long time that there will be scene of luke meditating on a large stone.
     
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    It's definitely setting itself up that Snoke is the looming threat that Thrawn speaks of.... but it also seems a bit too clean IMO

    But the way this threat is described it seems as though he shouldn't need the FO or Kylo Ren or anyone for that matter.
    If he truly is a threat to all life, and the embodiment of the dark side of the force, then wouldn't it seem more appropriate to have him as some Galactus or Brainiac type character, Rather than just another force wielding Emporer with an apprentice who needs to finish his training...?

    Now, Snoke, as seen in TFA, is definitely in a weakened potentially from a past battle, maybe even a run in with the Chiss or the remnants of the Empire.
    so that could explain his need for the FO.

    But the fact that the FO is essentially a tribute band to the empire throws me off.
     
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    But its ACTING. Its not a netural thing that just exists until someone taps into it and decides to use it for good or bad.
     
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    what is your evidence of this? Not denying what you're saying is true, the will of the force is often mentioned but so is the will of God in our own society, and we still have no evidence to support that one way or the other...
     
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    My personal feeling is Snoke and FO have different set of goals,but of cuorse Snoke sees benefit of using FO for his goal,and FO has great advantage of using Snoke's insights and strategic thinking.
    Some people who like to think they are clever tend to trash Darth Plagueis the Wise , jet by using this characters teachings we can be ahead of any insight anyone can offer.

    FO agenda is polihical,they want return of the rule of the Empire.That's clear.

    Snoke however looks to me as one who fears and cares for only one thing,of loosing his power.I am now almost sure he is making preemptive acts to prevent Force to strike back at him.He already subdued Kylo to have him nuliffied as a threat ,but he is still obsessed with possibility Luke could return and train the new Jedi.This subtleties of Snoke problem made me conclude he had probably a prophecy some Luke's pupil could kill him(just like Palpatine once foreseen Luke could destroy him) , a hand trough which Force will strike back on him will be one of Luke's trainees.

    The Force awakened, Snoke felt it,for one reason,to strike him back for his enormus acquired power.
     
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    Its in the tarkin novel
     
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    Strange - I finished the Tarkin Audiobook last week and don't recall anything about the Acting force. Any idea when this is mentioned?
     
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    When they talk about the Jedi temple being built on the Sith temple and the dark side affecting and weakening hte Jedi - if it was just the netural element that wasn't good or bad until someone used it, there wouldn't.couldn't be darkside "energy" left over, it would just be the force. It wouldn't act on its own and affect the Jedi, it would just.......be until it was tapped into.
     
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    Explaining the force is equivalent of castrating it. I don't need to know every detail about Peter Parker's tech. to know that he swings, just like I don't need to know who constructed Vader's suit to know he's a bad dude. Spoon-feeding the audience can be as detrimental to sequel trilogy as poor writing was to PT.
     
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    However I still think some clarifications are neded for most demanding public,the nerds like me..A creative Force,the Living Force, the light that has been there forever as Maz Kanata said, can not be in the same time"those beasts" as Maz talks about again refering to the Dark side against which everyone must fight.There is something I would like to learn,the creation,or beter to say division/schism that led to manifestation of the Dark Side which brings so much evil ,death and the destruction..
     
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    Going back tp your own analogy @McDiarmid I wonder if there is such a thing as "the creation of the Dark Side." Is the dark side a cause or a result? You pointed to ripples or waves in the stream. Is the Dark Side an eddie or current of its own or is it the result of the manner in which the river is interacted with. The motives associated with the Darkside are selfish and insular. Those who "use the Darkside" poison the river disrupt its flow to accomplish their ends. The distort that which binds and use it to break. In our most ancient religions the language or words of creation had power and speaking them inversely had power, making vs unmaking, creating rather than destroying.

    Yoda warned Luke, "That cave strong with the Darkside it is. In you must go." Perhaps such places are points where the Living Force is disrupted. It is no longer healthy.
     
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    Here is another definition of 'the forced'.
    ;)
     
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    We all have different expectations from the stories we enjoy. I'm actually a very hard core fan. I've read most of the Legends and current books and comics. What I'm talking about isn't LESS or MORE details. I just think EXPLAINING the force in general would be a bad idea.
     
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    I would say the force itself is neutral and not Actively bending one way or another unless influenced by a force user. Physical objects, buildings,l artifacts, and other items can be imbued with Darkside or lightside energy which lasts long after the original force user has gone. Think of a Holocron or any other Sith or Jedi temple we have seen through the series (IE clone wars, rebels). Or all the artifacts that are found at the end of Aftermath Empires End. These are all physical objects that tie the dark/light side to a specific location rather than the force itself actively changing to be dark or light geographically.

    There is talk throughout the SW canon of force shadows or remnants of force activity In the force that lingers after the event has happened. Palpatine mentions how the slaying of the younglings at the Jedi Temple serves to strengthen the Dark side in that location through the time of the Empire.

    Basically, it's not the force itself that's actively leaning light or dark, but because the force Is passive in its neutrality it has no means of restoring a neutral state just as it has no means of being dark or light on its own.
     
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    The Force can not be explained.I am talking about new concept of reationship between Light and Dark and the Living Force.The new Canon novels are talking about "Source of the Dark side".Certainly a Living Force can not have source,but the Dark side,apparently,has its point of origin.It is obvious to me that Story group has decided to deal with some fundamental questions.
     
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