SPECULATION New Darth Plagueis/ Snoke Theory from recent news

I'm not sure how the JJ commentary brings back this theory.

Here's what we know:

- Plagueis is dead
- Plagueis was Sith
- Snoke isn't Sith

 

i see how you're connecting the dots on this one, and i think it's a cool train of thought, but i'm pretty sure that old DPlunge is right on this one.

we've had it from TPTB that Snoke is NOT a Sith and that there are no Sith in TFA.
we've heard it from Pablo that Plaggy is dead.
Plaggy, "could save others from death, but not himself."

with that being said, Snoke could still be the one responsible for Shmi's immaculate conception without Plaggy being a part of it. if that's the case, then Snoke could potentially do this again, creating Rey in the process.

the problem with this idea though is that his whole Anakin scheme couldn't have played out nearly as well as Snoke had hoped. i mean, Anakin ruined everything for everyone, in one way or another. he was instrumental in killing off the Jedi, and then destroyed the last of the Sith.

you know, now that i'm thinking about it, what if Snoke knew of the prophecy and created Anakin to kill off both the Jedi and the Sith? the resulting power vacuum within the Force would have been perfect for him, only maybe he didn't foresee Anakin having children. with Luke on the scene as the last Jedi, Snoke has/had one more hurdle to jump. enter Ben Solo/Kylo Ren to help Snoke finally eliminate the Jedi.

still, even if all that were to be true, why create another Force baby like Anakin? Ben would have been a child when Rey was "created," so maybe it was a counter to Luke training him up? only as Ben grew older Snoke was actually able to turn Ben to the dark side, thus making Rey not as instrumental as he thought? if Snoke did create Rey and then seduced Ben, maybe that's how Ben knew of Rey's existence without having met her?

 

This belongs in the other thread.

 

cheers! i think it could make sense that Snoke was after killing everyone to make way for his reign; i guess only time will tell!

on the Sith thing, i'm about 95% sure that someone (JJ? Pablo?) said that there are no Sith in TFA, ergo Snoke is not a Sith. i don't have the actual quote or link handy, but i'm sure someone around here does!

 

We have no idea what Plagueis' other name was because Hego Damask is no longer canon.

"Formerly Darth, now just Maul." Does that make Maul Darthless? Sithless, even?

Why can't Plagueis do the same thing with the name of Snoke?

 

But Plagueis is dead. What do I owe @TIDMADT ?

DP is dead.
Palpatine wasn't a fool.
Anikan's fall and redemption have been the focus. Retconning in an uber villian even sneakier than Sideous and greater than Vader is not going to be the focus of the films.

 

As much as I want it to be so, TPTB maintain at every turn that Snoke is not Darth Plagueis.

I would love for them to be proven liars in that regard, but don't expect that to be the case.

 

He is a new character. The ST is about new characters. There are no Sith. No rule of two.

 

The theory is that he secretly survived the attempt upon his life and then abandoned the Sith, just like Maul did. Hence, he's not a Sith.

 

Right...but it has been debunked so many times. It was debunked by J.J. before TFA ever even came out at Comic Con, it was debunked by Pablo who would know more than anyone that DP is in fact dead. Over and over it has been debunked but people won't be satisfied or let it go.

I bet even when 8 and 9 proves he isn't DP people will still come up with some theory that is really is him.

 

Edit: I'm not trying to say that Snoke can't be a new character, but this tweet implies that someone has gotten something right in the past and it may just be the Plagueis theory.

 

Ha ha Plaggy. That one made me laugh ..

 

I agree that somethings may have been guessed correctly and they do not want to let the cat out of the bag but he has indirectly and then directly stated Darth Plaguies is dead as stated in ROTS. I don't think Plaguies is a cover up thought. I think it is going to be a progression forward, not circling back old villians. Regardless of what other aliases Plaguies may have used, if Plaguies is dead then any other name is dead too.

 

I've posted here before that I wouldn't be surprised if they're actively changing things as they go along, all in response to prevalent fan theories. If we wind up getting too close, who's to say they don't just rip the rug out from the initial plan to keep things as mysterious as possible (not even in a mischievous way, necessarily) for the audience? It may sound conspiratorial, but it wouldn't surprise me. lol.

 

hmmm, so maybe I should stop or reduce expressing my theories, because I may have been close. Not that they change it in a way I really dislike in the end.