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New vehicles, droids and troops in Solo

Discussion in 'Solo' started by Star Dude, Feb 6, 2018.

  1. Darth Basin The Greatest

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    Don't mean 2 pop yur bubble pot the cloud car is able 2 achive low orbit.
     
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    Is there any canon source for this?

    I was relying on the info from the 80’s West End Games source books (never cared beyond that about this topic), but it seems that since then nothing had changed so far:
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cloud_car

    It’s a repulsorlift only vehicle for atmospheric flights.

    And yes, one can get nitpicky about the stratosphere and I now that Alexandr Fedotov is holding the world record for an air breathing plane flying highest with 37.65 km above ground in his MiG-25 Foxbat.

    But does this make the MiG a spacecraft?
     
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    I think it BF2 it achived orbit.
     
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    I've only flown the Cloud Car in BF2 on the campaign when you have to take out the refuelling station, but that was still cloud level - is it orbit playable in the multiplayer?
     
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    Well, in this particular case WEG failed its homework, IMHO. According to the The Art of ESB the anti-gravitational properties are the outstanding characteristics of Tibanna gas, which enabled Cloud City to fly and explained the unique shape of the twin-pod cloud car (more like two interconnected blimps). ;)
     
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    Damn... that reminds me, I own that book. But where the heck is it?!?

    Btw, cracking avatar there @Lt. Hija!
     
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    Yep, at least the single payer story of BF II is considered to be canon.

    In that cloud car mission, the dogfight around the refueling station which ended with the destruction of 3(?) ISD takes place within the atmosphere on ‘cloud’ level.

    They used the floating (gas?) stations from the original Ralph McQuarrie Bespin designs, which later made it even into the OT Extended Editions. On that BT 2 missions, they are also referred to be Tibanna gas stations for refueling capital ships.

    Well, so far from (none canon?) material I was under the impression, that Tibanna gas was used solely as a component in the process generating blaster bolts for both big and small “laser’ cannons, from your hold out blaster to the heavy Turbolasers on the DS. And that the quality and origin of that gas was the factor that determined the color of the blasts.

    Buy mentioning this, it brings up an interesting aspect that was always fuzzy to me within the Star Wars universe – STARSHIP FUEL.

    Those three Star Destroyer, were they there just to gas up their turbo laser banks – or was the Tibanna gas designed to be engine fuel here too?
    tibanna.jpg

    In the old West End Games RPG, starships were designed to fly by ‘Energy cells’, maybe not unlike our modern fuel cells like the ones Toyota is investing a large effort to.

    But looking at the Yavin launch scene in ANH, everybody knows about the fuel hoses that were removed from the fighters before take-off, so liquid fuel in the SW was already more likely back then.

    At the latest since the RotS deleted scene with Grievos, Obi-Wan and Anakin on the ‘Invisible Hand’, we know at least that is was designed that such capital ships had liquid fuel running though channels, which both Jedi used to escape after the killing of Shaak-Ti. And that fuel was very responsive to blaster bolts.

    With the Clone Wars series, Rhydonium became known as one possible (high explosive) fuel for sharships.

    And from the incredible cross sections reference books, we learned that those TIE pilots directly sit on a fuel tank containing ‘high pressure radioactive gas’. What a fun!

    So guys, what do you experts know about or speculate what makes those ships fly. And with BT2, is Tibanna gas now becoming one of those canon fuels?!

    We know from the Raddus in TLJ that the fuel was both used for light jumps and sub-light speed.

    I guess @Lt. Hija, @Lock_S_Foils and all you other experts can shed some light on this!
     
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    Pardon my asking but do you wonder where your copy of Art of ESB is or the "anti-gravitational" reference? The reference is among the first lines in the text introduction to "Bespin"

    Thanks. For some strange reason I love the ANH sandtrooper scenes, and feel compelled to constantly remind everybody visually, that Artoo and Threepio just used the "lander module" of the life pod to arrive on Tatooine (an obvious homage to the Apollo space program, IMHO). And its a segment from a deleted scene (i.e. close-up shot of the two sandtroopers near the lander module)

    My pleasure. The Art of ESB (as Lucasfilm official as it could possibly get in 1980) clearly established Tibanna Gas' antigravitational properties (and in hindsight actually for Luke's landspeeder, too).

    [​IMG]

    If you didn't own the Art of ESB you could rely on Marvel. In their return to Bespin story arc Cloud City's Tibanna gas tanks had been rigged with explosives, and once detonated, the city started to sink.
    (I recently saw a LEGO parody taking place on Cloud City where cutting a repulsorlift cable was about to doom Cloud City. What a ridiculous notion!!!)

    The basic premise of people living in a luxurious place like Cloud City is that they don't need to be concerned with their well-being and anti-gravitational Tibanna gas was a guarantuee that Cloud City wouldn't fall like a stone the moment its repulsorlifts had been sabotaged or gone defect. Lucasfilm (then) understood this and so did Marvel.

    Back in 1983 Raymond Velasco had written the first official encyclopedia:

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    While The Art of ESB was among his source materials, he didn't highlight the anti-gravtational properties of Tibanna gas but the footnote featured a cross-reference to "repulsorlifts".

    Now, the folks from West End Games used Velasco's guide like a bible (the ESB novelization quote "Vader's Star Destroyer is bigger than the five..." was misquoted into "Vader's Star Destroyer is five times bigger than..." - resulting in the erroneous WEG figure of 5 miles only) and didn't catch his cross-reference. So they made a conjecture and assumed that Tibanna gas was an important hyperdrive coolant.

    My favorite Star Wars researcher, Dr. David West Reynolds, re-established Tibanna gas original properties here:

    [​IMG]

    (That's still the only OT in-universe reference book I can recommend to the best of my knowledge, despite some minor hick-ups)

    ...but the people in charge of canon and continuity have apparently little or no interest to feature the original in-universe design intentions and rather prefer conjectural EU inventions. :(
     
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    Definitely the first one... I spent an hour in the attic looking for the book as a result. It hasn't seen daylight in 4yrs since I moved into this house!
     
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    Wow – that puts a whole new perspective on Tibanna gas and it’s (not so canon anymore) usage in all floating devises within the Star Wars universe. Thanks for enlightening me on this!

    Buoyant flight would have been a good explanation for those none-aerodynamic vehicles that are unable to fly by lift according to Newton, Bernoulli and Prandtl.

    So they ‘eveloved’ the technology to repulsors then. The original story of Tibanna would have matched better the space opera and fantastic style of SW in my eyes.
     
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    Exactly!

    [​IMG]

    I was looking for the publicity still with Luke walking towards the sunset (with his landspeeder in the background) but the image above has to do. Although energy-saving Uncle Owen was about to turn down the power of Lars Homestead, the landspeeder would have remained 'afloat'.

    Apparently Tibanna gas complements repulsorlift devices and I've no problem whatsoever with its use as a hyperdrive coolant, but I'd like to see its original purpose illustrated more often.
     
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    As the new trailer has arrived, new sneak peeks on troops, vehicles and droids are included.

    So what I noticed, in regards to the first post in this thread, is a better view on the mysterious, big new TIE. Although appearing to be lager then the basic variant, it still seems to include only twin ion engines for propulsion.


    newTIE_10.jpg

    Looking at it from behind, it really appears as one of the regular ones except for that smaller pod next to the cockpit.

    newTIE_11.jpg


    I would say your predictions where spot on. Magnetizing boots for maneuvering on that train confirmed. Those Range troopers in action sure look bad ass!

    RangeTrooper_01.jpg

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    Those guys doing the job on Mimban(?) have heavy weapons equipped, also cool!

    mimban_heist.jpg


    Then we have the bikes/swoops used during that train action – they all look like the one used by that villain Enfys Nest as brought up by @Molten Mask here: https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....-discuss-the-villain.54141/page-3#post-491386.

    swoops.jpg

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    And last but not least – a new walker type! Although there are quite some similarities to an classic imperial AT-ST, there are also some differences I think. To me, this variant seems more like a heavy weapon pod with two big main canons in the upper central ‘head’ section but without the weapon mountings on the left and right ‘cheek’ as the AT-ST has.

    newWalker_01.jpg

    Also, the frame and legs appears to be a bit heavier than the ones from the Chicken Walkers. Especially the three-clawed feet look quite different.

    newWalker_02.jpg

    I wonder if we’re also about to see the vehicle that drops those walkers on the ground.


    And L3-37 seems not reluctant when it comes to using some violence while taking care of Lando’s business. I’m curious if that’s standard programming for that model series…

    L3-37.jpg

    Edit: I just realized that what we see here might most probably be the assembly process of an Imperial Star Destroyer including lifting vehicles carrying the single parts to their places. Awesome!

    ISD_assembly.jpg

    This surely IS a construction site for ISD segments.
    ISD_assembly_02.jpg
     
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    The new TIE is called "Imperial Heavy TIE Fighter." The image below reveals the names of a couple of other vehicles and weapons.

     
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    Ya know...I think I'm really going to like the visaul style of this movie.
     
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    Thanks a lot for pointing this out! This clarifies some stuff quite good.

    Let’s see how this heavy TIE will perform!

    And that new Walker variant is an AT-DT. With its prominent head ordenance, it reminds me a bit of those AT-AP’s deployed by the Republic Army during the battle of Kashyyyk.
    card_02.jpg

    With the 12” action figure and those cards, we now also have a better look on those new Imperial Patrol Troopers with their Patrol Speeders. So no farm equipment here.
    card_01.jpg

    I’ve noted that the action figure caries the same short pistol that is also used by the biker scouts during the Endor chase.
    Imperial_Patrol_Trooper.jpg
     
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    I wonder why they opted for another walker variant rather than carrying forward the now established AT-DP model as seen throughout Rebels? It's seems weird to me that because of the retro stories of Rebels, R1 and Solo we're getting so many one-off ship and vehicles now which are not seen again later.

    For example, the Imperial Troop Transport of Rebels (realised from the 80's Kenner toy) never appears on screen again in later films. What becomes of Thrawn's rather brilliant TIE Defender - or do we take it that it never reaches full service? The U-Wing seems to be a redundant ship type by the OT/ST era - which I fear is the fate of the Heavy TIE too. B and Y wings appear in Rebels and carry through to ROTJ era, yet only variations of the X and A wings are still in service by TLJ.

    Good catch! Favouring of the Endor armour myself, it'd be cool to find that these guys were essentially an urban version or proto-scout trooper
     
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    I’m absolutely with you on this for all those vehicle and trooper variants..

    I would have preferred a more iterative approach going from design A to C by having B somewhere in between.

    Where we come from…
    ProtoScout.jpg

    …and heading to.
    ImperialScout.jpg

    But maybe you’re correct and these guys are wearing armor that for whatever reason is better suited to work in urban/industrial sector environment like in this shipyard on Corellia where those ISD’s are build.
    ProtoScout_01.jpg

    One could even call it a wasted chance to skip the AT-DP and not introduce it to a live action movie but come up with another design for Lego to put out more sets.

    But maybe a walking artillery cannon like the AT-DT on Mimban(?) will be used in an environment that would not be ideal for the AT-DP’s mission profile which is also urban environment if I’m not mistaken.
     
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    They could of used a variant of the AT-DP but instead we get a new design "we'll never c again"

    Because, nu toys.
     
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    Neat.

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    Is that a tower on a clouded mountainside or a ship?
     
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