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SPECULATION "No, I am your ____________."

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Willybobo, Oct 30, 2014.

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What line of dialogue will we hear during THE big twist of the Sequel Trilogy?

  1. "No, I am your father."

    5.1%
  2. "No, I am your father’s father."

    7.7%
  3. "No, I am your sister."

    2.6%
  4. "No, I am your brother."

    7.7%
  5. "No, I am your mother."

    2.6%
  6. "No, you are my father."

    2.6%
  7. There won’t be a mirroring of “No, I am your father.”

    71.8%
  1. Willybobo

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    SPOILER ALERT: STOP READING IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE PT OR THE OT.

    It’s one of the most famous lines in film history, and why Episode V is still heralded as the greatest sequel of all time. 5 simple words that changed everything.

    “No, I am your father.” is THE Star Wars moment.

    And since Lucas loves mirroring certain themes in each trilogy, it’s not outside the realm of possibility to expect a similar moment in the sequel trilogy. We can debate whether it will occur in VII or VIII, but I think most of us can agree something akin to THE moment is inevitable.

    So let's have some fun! What specific words do you think we'll hear during that moment? Cast your vote in the poll. I’ve kept it to a word-for-word “echo”… which may bother some of you. But it’s my thread :)

    Kidding, feel free to tell me how pedestrian I am for being so literal. But if you’re going to do that, please also put forward your potential line of dialogue for THE moment.

    To be clear, this is not a thread to debate which twist makes the most sense. This is for putting a stake in the ground and guessing the LINE we are most likely to hear. I realize it’s near impossible to guess, and most of us are not screenwriters. But that’s part of the fun.

    Killjoys, steer clear. This is not a YOU ARE WRONG. I AM RIGHT thread.
     
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    I doubt there will be a scene like this, BUT if there is one I would think it would be "brother" towards Ridley from Driver/Grave Robber.
     
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    If they must do one, nd I think there is a pretty good chance they will (based on how Into Darkess cloned scenes from Star Trek II), I think it would be cool for Luke to have a kid that he maybe doesn't know about, but the kid knows about Luke. So he gets to say something like, "I'm your son, Luke."

    then luke will say "Thats not true! That's impossible!" or "I know...somehow I've always know"....just kidding:rolleyes:
     
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    +1 for Brother. Just got a feeling from what's been leaked that Driver is a Solo and playing both sides as both an Alliance Pilot and the Masked Grave Robber.
     
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    I’m not sure JJ is going to clone scenes here (outside of the obligatory “gotta bad feeling”’s of the world.)

    The cloning in Star Trek was done because of the timeline reboot. They were trying to show past movie events occurring in similar but different ways to underline the idea that events were still progressing on similar paths but with different details. They relied on it way too much in my opinion, but I don’t necessarily think it’s indicative of his approach for the ST and more a symbol of how he and the writers view the nature of the timeline reboot.

    My guess is that they go for a similar “I am your father” style moment, but similar in feeling only…not content. A shocking scene that throws everything we’ve assumed into doubt, but by the exposure of some truth not related to family ties.

    But that’s just my guess.
     
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    I hope they can do it. It might prove difficult though. Part of what made it work in Empire was that no one had seen the PT. If you watch them in numbered order, it's not a surprise at all. Still works in a way, because its a surprise to Luke...but not to the audience. Of course its only a surprise once. BUT, I think with 30 years of unknown history between Jedi and Ep. 7, there is plenty of room for them to come up with something that will surprise the characters and the audience alike.
     
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    I gotta agree with @Dan Solo. I think this is going to be about sibling v. sibling and the big betrayal will be that big brother (Driver) has been playing with the darkside (or may be a full-fledged sith) while living a double life as a Republic pilot. Luke's "tampering with the dark side" (if true) may be a way to save his nephew. If there's something special about Boyega, which MSW has mentioned, maybe Kira and Han are out to find/extract him per Luke's request but they are unaware why Luke wants him other than to remove him from the clutches of the Empire and they trust Luke as to why. Luke sees him as the jedi who will help save Driver (unbeknownst to Kira and Han at the time that their brother/son is even evil), but, in actuality, it will be Kira to train further as a jedi to save her brother (when her father, mother and uncle are opposed to the idea). There's also supposedly a scene with Luke, Han and Driver with Han's pistol aimed at Luke. This may be when Luke is trying to tell Han that his son is a sith but Han refuses to believe it. Just outrageous speculation on my part.
     
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    Love it. Stay outrageous.

    Sibling rivalry / salvation is a great theme to explore in the sequel trilogy IMHO.
     
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    I think they will... just like Han dressing up as a stormtrooper, and a "Han shoots first" moment... Leia wont decide on a hairstyle, C-3PO will say, "We're doomed"... Chewie's gonna growl... some things wont change

    This would work if... Daisy believes the Warlord is responsible for Luke's death (when really he was captured) and goes seeking vengeance... she confronts him... "You killed my father" and he takes off his helmet and says, "No, I rescued him... but I had to turn to the dark side to get strong enough to do it, and Luke is here and has stayed with me to try to talk me back to the good"
     
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    I'm going on the presumption that Kira and Driver are Solo kids. I'm just not buying Luke having any kids unless it's Gleeson (who has the resemblance). I don't see any purpose to the story. There's still a third generation through Han and Leia's kids. Can a jedi train their own kid even? Is there a jedi nepotism clause? I would think because of the attachment concerns, it would probably be frowned upon and they'd have to be trained by someone else. Just wondering....

    Kira and Driver, to the extent they are solo kids, are still linked to Luke because he's their uncle and through the force, whether he's trained them or not.... That gives Luke a link to them that even Han doesn't have. It just seems far-fetched to me that Han and Leia would be raising Luke's kids. One kid, maybe. But if it's siblings that are at odds, dark v. light, it's gotta be Solo kids, IMO.
     
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    I think it will be:
    Villain: I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.
    Hero: What does that make us?
    Villain: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Which is what you are about to become...

    Edit:
    I really wish Mel Brooks would have made a sequel. :(
     
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    I think there will be a twist there... based solely on the line, "no known children"

    I've said it before, they wouldn't say "no known" unless there was an unknown one...

    Hell, maybe the Warlord is Luke's son... I still think it's Luke, but... that could be a gotcha moment... if Daisy finds Luke, and is confronted by the Warlord, and the Warlord says, "I am your son"

    Remember that girl you met at the after celibration on Endor? Yeah... and mom wants to know why you never called like you promised...

    Star Wars Episode VII - Daddy Issues
     
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    "No known children" could mean not known from the viewpoint of the author of the article. Saying Luke has "no children" is presuming something that hasn't been verified and no one has a fact that solid other than those close to the movie. Is that from an official press release? Who are "they"? There's all sorts of nonsense reported by the news about Ep. VII (and they get a lot of it from here) as it's mostly just speculation at this point.
     
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    Anything is possible... up to and including that he had a child he thinks is dead...
     
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    I agree that anything is possible. And I am hoping that Gleeson is playing Luke's son. But, if Luke is so strong in the force and he has a force sensitive child, wouldn't he be able to sense if they were alive or dead?
     
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    I think we would be better served by having the big reveal of this trilogy to be unrelated to how characters are related. I'm sure there is a move creative way to pull a switcheroo that we won't see coming. to me if you go with an I am your ________ scene, it will be fine, but expected. The beauty of the I am your father moment was that you couldn't see it coming. I'd like to have that feeling again, and just am not confident it can come from a moment like this. I do think is is JJ's style to have reveals and drop the mic moments, and whatever is in store, I'll be looking forward to it.
     
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    It would be cool to see a new generation of Solo/Skywalkers.
     
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    Vader didn't know about Luke until after A New Hope, and he didn't know about Leia untill last act of Return of the Jedi. So it could make sense that Luke doesn't know about his kid.
     
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    But I think the assumption people are making is that Luke goes to the dark side in his grief over his losing his child. That would only be possible if he knows he has a child AND knows his child. Therefore, I would think that they would be able to connect through the force. Leia and Luke even were able to do it, and, at the end of the ROTJ, Leia knew that Luke was ok and got off the Death Star.
     
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    SPECULATION:
    I don't think EP7 will have a "No, I'm your ___." scene but I see the 3rd act or climax having a "what the +%#%" shocker where either a character(big or small) will be revealed to know more or be switched(from bad to good or maybe good to bad). If the new films will have a trilogy the plot/story will need to carry over.
    There's not going to be a WMD or massive disaster that kills everyone.
    The finale will either be a heroic victory with everyone happy(A New Hope) or a huge wreck/devastating incident where the remaining cast limp away(like TESB).
     

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