SPECULATION Now that we have seen TLJ, where does the ST go?

Spoiler

I predict a time-jump with the opening crawl saying Leia is dead. Rey will have started to train new warriors with the power of the force while Poe builds the resistance with Connix. Finn and Rose may be on their own journey (his role in the resistence needs to be established better). Chewie and the 3 droids will be around. Meanwhile the ghost of Skywalker will be haunting Kylo Ren as promised - while Hux will in effect be managing the new Empire which will be in total control. Kylo Ren will be like Snoke, distant, possibly to conceal inner madness caused by Skywalker.

 

Here's a bit of speculation, mostly a guess that's a total stab in the dark, but partly rooted in some observations...

Snoke is from the Unknown Regions (where the First Order came from after the remnants of the Empire fled there following the Battle of Jakku). His death provokes others of his kind to invade the parts of the galaxy we know (sort of like the now Legends but previous EU Yuuzhan Vong storyline?). Therefore we will learn about Snoke's origins in IX; his death is only the beginning of how we'll come to know his story...

Somehow this threat from the Unknown Regions forces the First Order to lay aside its quest to end the Resistance. Somehow in the midst of these events Kylo Ren ends up working together with Rey, and this combined with the death of his mother leads to his redemption from the dark side?

Somewhere in there, they come to the understanding that Rey is actually his sister (yes, Rey Solo!). Suggestive evidence: In this saga, what kinds of people are able to experience physical contact telepathically at a distance through the force? Force siblings. In TLJ, I suggest (tentatively!) we saw TWO examples of this--Luke and Leia was one; and the other... Ben and Rey touching hands... (just a suggestion!)

Somehow, it turns out, in spite of some things that seem to speak to the contrary, Leia (wisely and secretly) hid Rey from Han out of the concern to spare her from the kind of life she would live as grandchild of Darth Vader (sort of like the mentality Han and Leia had towards their twins in previous EU now Legends material), a concern that turns out to be well-founded as illustrated by how things turn out with Ben.

If they are indeed siblings, then Ben and Rey are a study in contrasts. Ben is what happens when a powerful force user grows up with a sense of consciousness of the heritage he's been born into. Rey is an example of why a good force user, even if actually somebody, turns out better off if he/she lives with the mindset of being a nobody (unaware of the heritage he/she comes from). This is a major Star Wars theme already; if this is what is going on, it would make sense, and it would be consistent with the rules of the canon.

Those are just some suggestions based on extrapolating some things from canon and throwing in some ideas from previous EU material. What do you think?

 

If my suggestion about Snoke is anywhere close to on target, then Snoke's backstory will also somehow end up including something having to do with Palpatine back in the prequel days.

 

Not even going to go down this rabbit hole again. I've got no idea, and no interest in hyping up my wild theories again. Star Wars hasn't been this unpredictable since Darth Vader went spinning off in a tie-fighter, and a spunky group of young heroes stood around wearing shiny disk.

 

It's funny...ok, maybe not so funny, but there was so many fans extremley hyped over their predictions for episode 8. You couldn't go anywhere on YouTube without encountering a barrage of speculation videos. Closer to the release of The Last Jedi I was beginning to tire of them, but in all honesty, I loved that fans were getting so excited and entering into endless discussions and debates about what was coming next. I really enjoyed interacting with such an active online community with the run up to TLJ, but now it seems that many fans feel completely destroyed (was that too harsh?) by the end result of The Last Jedi, and it's quite sad to see so many people question: "what was it all for?". It's understandable that many fans are not going to delve too far into the 'guessing game' for episode 9, given that the Last Jedi really didn't leave all that much to chew on at the end. The Force Awakens gave us much more food for thought. Will JJ Abrams give the finger to Rian Johnson and undo as much of TLJ as Rian did to TFA?

The only idea that popped into my mind while watching TLJ was during the scene of the multiple images of Rey appearing in the 'dark side' cave. I began to wonder if it was a reflection of reincarnation; an almost Dalai Lama/Buddhist cycle of constant rebirth. Could it be the 'Chosen One'? Could it be that there isn't just one, but many, consistently produced by the force throughout time to bring balance whenever there is imbalance? (Though the rebirth may not always succeed in its goal if you consider Anakin may have also been one of these reincarnations)..... But then I wake up and realize Disney is helming this thing and they would never dream of allowing something so heretical to be produced under its banner. (Jeez, why am I so jaded against Disney? I loved the Sword in the Stone)

Ok, secondly, and I'm sure EVERYONE thinks this. Rey's parents may have been low-life, good-for-nothing drunks, but WHO were they really? If Obi-Wan Kenobi can be just a crazy old hermit for years on Tatooine, then is it possible Rey's parents were more than we expect, and perhaps hiding out on Jakku? Were they foster parents that discovered booze was much cheaper on Nar Shaddaa, and decided to cash in on the girl and make a hasty exit? There is still much to explain there I think.

Ok not the most exciting predictions, but HEY...there's only like 5 entries here.

 

Force sensitives awakening around the Galaxy because Luke is speaking to them and telling them to resist the First Order.

Spoiler: End of TLJ

The stable boy was the first of these.

 

This is how I EXACTLY feel as the Trilogy is going to feel like 3 different standalone movies that ignore what the previous one did. You can have different directors with different styles and interpretation on a movie, I’m all for that. You can’t have one movie doing what it wants at the expense of the movie and that is why I’m so deflated for Episode 9.

When JJ has Luke/Anakin Lightsaber call out to Rey and they play Luke’s music when she force grabs the Lightsaber, you better follow that up in the next movie with an explanation. When Rey is all powerful and can do things with the force in TFA without training, it needs to be addressed in the next movie.

I honestly don’t know what to look forward to at this point cause they are LITERALLY making this up as they go.

 

Episode IX...

Kylo sets out on his own path to find Rey for whatever reasons. Hux and the First Order have regrouped and are preparing for a final battle with the Resistance - who have grown stronger and recruited ally’s throughout the Galaxy.

Finn, Rose and co recruit these fighters around the galaxy and Poe commands the fleet. Rey goes off to train, using the Jedi books she took from Ahch-To, builds a new
Lightsaber (introducing a new hue perhaps?) and possibly tries to find other force-sensitive students to train with.

Rey and Ben are going to have some interaction, like the ones we saw in TLJ. This time, Luke is present...

Leia dies between the films. We start with her funeral. Kylo witness it through Rey and actually touches her corpse and feel sadness and regret.

Luke will reveal that Snoke - who was the former Sith Lord Darth Plagueis, was obsessed with the Skywalker’s, as he was the one who created the Chosen One. Since Vader’s death, he wanted “a new Vader” (as he stated in TLJ) and Ben Solo was his next target. That’s why the Skywalker bloodline needs to end. That bloodline would always pose a threat to the Galaxy, should the darkness rise. Kylo Ren’s death in IX, will signal the end of that family and allow Rey to rebuild the Jedi Order and restore peace to the Galaxy.

 

Spoilers from TLJ

With all the precipitation in TLJ killing the strongest characters, I think they will explore what we expected after IX: a young and new generation of Jedis, which could be weird to finish a trilogy.
I also think they will jump 5-10 years to fix some actual issues and deficiences. Kylo Ren has to be the bad guy (not necessary to introduce a new one in a final chapter) but i don't know how because TLJ seems to insinuate Ben is the light or the dark from an equilibrium with Rey.
I guess a new rebellion will rise without Leia.
And I think it's necessary to continue some TFA aspects, like Skywalker lightsaber, Knights of Ren, Maz Kanata, the importance of Jakku, and give a gret conclusion to the interesting mental conflict and fight from Ren and Rey. This "new power/level" has to mean something like an equilibrium, or teach it to a new generations of Jedis and Siths, or the triumph of darkness or light.

 

So I can’t help but think that Episode IX is going to answer many, many questions that were left. My few bullet points are:

• Rey’s Parents - I mean they did do some more exploring and did tease revealing them to us but I think it’s going to be such a major point in Episode IX just because I feel like as Rey gets stronger with The Force, she slowly grows away from Jakku and all that was there. Of course, she hasn’t forgotten where she’s come from but as she fights with Ren and TFO, I feel like the backstory for Rey kind of gets put into limbo you know? But I’m hoping that we get the reveal in IX
• The First Order - Whose controlling The First Order since Snoke “supposedly” went out and even if he didn’t, I’ve been reading the possibilities that Snoke sort of used a projection similar to what Luke did to Kylo on Crait. But even if Snoke did use a projection to lure us into thinking he’s dead, will he actually appear in full form? Will he fight? There’s just so many questions when it comes to Snoke and the element of surprise plays a huge part in that.
• The Resistance - I can’t help but feel like Poe may end up doing some more arguing, etc with Admiral Holdo and kind of fight to be the voice for the Resistance and to be honest? I think Poe would make a great figure to represent them. He’s strong, loud, steps up when it needs done. I got more of a Dark Side feeling when Holdo was introduced (same as I did with DJ even though he played both sides it seemed like)
• New Characters - I’m hoping that we get a more inside look to KOR because I feel like they could play a huge part in what happens next to Kylo. Either they play a part in him turning on TFO or they play a prominent role in him staying and doing what he feels is necessary and that’s slaughtering The Resistance. I would also just go super crazy if someone like a Darth Maul or much much similar ended up being revealed somehow to being in TFO and joining them. I feel like they need another big person to stand at Kylos side if Rey isn’t going to. I can’t imagine someone helping TFO in such a way that The Resistance questions if they overcome Kylo and Hux. It would be awesome.

 

My pitch for the future and endgame of star wars

Snoke is the prime jedi, his mind and body twisted and ruined his servitude of the original dark side user...a fallen whill of limitless power, so great he can fly, force project himself without effort, transport, consume the life force of beings, manipulate matter as well as telepathically communicate.

Snoke was taught many things by this dark entity. Becoming the first jedi as well as the first sith.

This fallen whill is known simply as lord shai-tan...the incarnation of the dark side.


A dark entity of immense power, who helped create the original sith with the help of his high priest...the fallen snoke.


Snoke helped his master create the original sith, who were worshipers of this dark side entity and seeked power for the glory of this dark side being.


Snoke was his loyal servant and together using their sith followers went to war with the jedi, but after their defeat they remained in the shadows. One day the Republic would be attacked by the mandalorians. This would lead of course to the fall (or sacrifice) of revan who not only joined the dark side to fight a greater evil both within the Republic(who were profiting off of the war by selling weapons to both sides). But becoming a sith to bring down snoke and shai-tan.


Revan created new sith doctrines that would for the philosophical underpinnings of the modern sith lords. Putting emphasis on objectivism, Fredrich nitzeh philosophy.


Basically putting emphasis on individuality and the belief in a secular sith order that sees the force as something to be controlled and dominated...whereas snoke respects the force and view dark side teachings as merely carrying out the dark sides will. Snoke is a high priest whereas revan is the undermench.


Eventually the KOTOR storyline happens in similar (but immensely different ways).


5 OLD REPUBLIC films


Movie 1: revan begins the movie with the lie that the jedi code is the best path to life and basically slowly loses his faith in the jedi and is slowly darkened into the revan we know and love. Ending the film with the battle of mandalore(instead of malachor mandalore becomes the planet that revan ruins to end the war, which is why it is so dead looking in rebels, it took mandalore 4000 years to fix revans damage and it still isn't enough) and revan becoming Darth revan to replace the Republic with something that will protect the galaxy from a ancient threat in the unknown regions. He also learns that the rich elites of the Republic were the ones who funded the mandalorians and he is disgusted that the rich used the war to weaken the Republic so that the masses can be desperate. Using their endless wealth they market "populist politicians" that follow their rich donors. He also learns that the jedi also knew about this and that SOME(not most) are conspiring with the rich to impose their religious views on a secular republic. Revan becomes a social justice warrior.


Becoming a crusader...who believes sees evil everywhere except within.


Movie 2: revan begins with the fatal flaw of being power hungry as he destroys the Republic and builds the empire in its place. Revan slowly drives away friends and like a Shakespeare character driven drama slowly descends into darker territory. Revan than drives away his best friend Malak. Who would later betray him at the end of the film and maybe with the help of 2 sith strip revan of much of his power and revan escapes into exile.

Revan ends the film realizing that the sith code and materialism has ruined his life. He escapes to the outer rim(revan being mind wiped won't work in screenwriting).

Movie 3: Logan meets KOTOR 1 storyline, revan is a drifter in the outer rim waiting to die until he is called into action by news that his old friend bastilla is being hunted. He goes to taris and finds out the truth...that bastilla is traveling with their son whom he never knew existed and conceived before the Mandalorian wars. He slowly regains his will to live along with his force powers as he and his child slowly form a bond along with all his companions.


NUKOTOR 1 (movie 3) is a metaphor for what it means to allow yourself to care for people in the face of devastating loss. What it means to find a family again. What it means to take another person’s hand in the face of all that pain. What it takes to go from being a loser, being another victim of an unfair world, to being a fully realized human being. He also must come to peace and come to terms with failure.

The force storyline could be revan reconciling the light and dark sides of the force(Carl Jung and shadow integration being the philosophy). Becoming a fully realized force user who is master of both the light and the dark(or the shadow). Becoming more powerful than any jedi or sith.


Movie 4: a lose adaptation of KOTOR 2 as well a thematic continuation of the loss theme of the previous movie and applying to exile. revan is not present here.


Revan has disappeared to face shai-tan in the unknown regions and exile and everyone else must go out and find him in the end... (the story is intact for the most part and kreia is played by the same actress who played kreia in the games).


Kreia is right about revan...but is largely not the one who started the dark wars. One of my biggest gripes though is that I do not buy that a secret empire remains undetected. So the mysterious threat is truly something worse. Shai tan is more powerful than any sith and and is above above all sith, kind of like a god. Snoke being his high priest.

What if this dark threat was some kind of sauron figure.
The mysterious dark being is found by malaks sith remnant in the Beyond. Like Sauron and Voldemort - if he ever reaches full power, breaks through from the Beyond into the galaxy itself he will be unstoppable and darkness will rule forever

But shaitan knows revan has the power to stop him. He knows how Revan defeated the Sith and he will not make the same mistake...

So he helps sion, nihilus and kreia take out the Jedi order.

The galaxy is crippled by the Jedi civil war and the death of the Jedi is met with glee.

The academy is wiped out before revan can save them.

Revans son is captured by shaitan and is brainwashed into the ultimate sith...rivaling revan himself.

Either way, revan finds the Jedi killed and must face his inner demons to stop the being that he has prepared years for.

Sensing some great ancient evil is returned, Revan takes off to find the threat where he discovers it's true form and does battle with it.

In a devastating battle (maybe think Gandalf vs the Balrog if the Balrog is Sauron lol), revan barely escapes with his life but wounds the entity in the process, leaving him wounded and vulnerable.

He sends countless sith assassin's and revan must flee.

Using the Force, revan must find a way to imprison the entity within the beyond.

Revan is now the only thing standing between entity and the galaxy. He must look for a way to stop him. the entity himself is desperate to leave because while he is powerful enough to control and send forth his armies he will die if he remains in the beyond. So entity is desperate to escape and revan is forced to dissappear as his son hunuts him down.

The final battle between revan and the dark entity will be set up






Movie 5: revan, the republic, exile, revan sith empire, and the remaining jedi all must work together. Shaitan has sent forth his followers and starforge armies to attack both the sith empire and the Republic. The sith and the jedi work together to stop shai tan.


Revan goes to moraband to battle his son who is influenced by shai tan and snoke...the fight is meant to force one to kill the other. Revan killing his own son would cause revan to lose balance, while the son killing revan would complete the sons training. Shai-tan and snoke watch as the jedi and revans new sith battle the followers of shai-tan and snoke.


But revan snaps the kid out of it and together they imprison the entity.


Imprisoning it in a tomb...revan and his son leave


Revan finally living a normal life and leaving with his family and friends.


4000 years later the entity would break out of his prison thanks to the destruction of alderaan...and would call out to Palpatine and snoke. Palpatine sensed this dark side entity in the unknown regions and in case of his death decided to create a cult to unleash shai-tan.


Snoke is also imprisoned and escapes when alderaan is destroyed due to the immense dark side energy of the planets destruction.



BUT WHO IS SHAI-TAN!!!



Shai tan was the youngest and most beautiful and loving whills, as well as the most favored of them all. He was always curious and was envied by some of his brothers. But one day he had a dream that he was king of the galaxy. Sha tan tells everyone and many whills angered at Shai tan getting all the attention attack him and beat him up and throw him to the mortal realm. He was sad and alone, and wondered the galaxy before coming across the original prime jedi on ach-to. He was angry and bitter and using his exceptional force powers telepathically taught the dark side to his greatest student snoke. His followers would leave the planet and forming the sith. The sith empire helps him gain enough dark side power to return to his realm and with great anger he was able to kill all of his brothers including those who were not involved. He was finally defeated by the bendu. His goal of killing every whill succeeding. But he was beaten so bad that he would never dare to go to the force realm again. He is limited by time though, his body was so damaged that his lost his ability to maintain his immortality without absorbing other people.


He would later be defeated by revan, snoke after waking up deciding to take over the galaxy so that he can prepare the way of his master.


As well as add a new addition to the shai-tan fan club. His goal was not just to kill luke, but use the combined force essence of Rey and kylo to revive his master from a death like sleep.



But ren betrayed him.


But shai-tan had a new cult, the acolytes of beyond, whom have accumulated everything they need. Using the force essence of thousands of children(why the inquisitors were stealing force sensitive children). Palpatine formed this cult to bring shai-tan back.

The fourth trilogy dealing with shai-tan coming out of the shadows again.


Now shai-tan becomes the big bad of star wars.


His goal is to not take over the galaxy but to regain his immortality.


He is the tyrant god king, a dark Jesus.


Shai tan is beautiful, charming, and kind of petty and insecure. His fear of death is the focal point of his character arc as well as his need for a family.


He feels alone and isolated, in many ways he is like the ultimate puppeteer but with the emotional depth of kylo and anakin.


150 years after episode 9

The fourth trilogy will be centered on 2 Skywalker twins(from Rey and Ben bloodline) whom are the reincarnation of the son and daughter from mortis. A dark side boy and a light side girl. David and Emma whom are destined to confront him. the twins father being kyle, wants to keep them safe from all this force nonsense


Only together can these 2 become the balance and become shai-tan's "undoing". As the rest of the galaxy is forced in a cold war between 2 oppressive superpowers, the theocratic republic runned by a order of force users with lots of money to bribe politicians. These force sensitives rule the galaxy thanks to bribes as well the church of the force quadrillion of followers who vote for people who support them. The force users are part of the powerful order known as the magistrium. Whom are scared of shaitan returning and viewing the galaxy as being best governed by force sensitives. Opposite is the second imperium which is the first order new successor state. Regained much of its glory.


Together david and emma will be shaitans undoing, Which doesn't mean what they think.


Setting up a final trilogy that fits into everything



Thoughts?

 

This^

I just hope this trilogy gets pulled together in the next movie, and we can go 'Ah, wow, mind blown! It wasn't all just a bunch of seemingly meaningless, random plotlines strung together to make a movie. The parts have meaning and context within the whole now now, and it all fits together in a most satisfying way.'

It kinda kills me that the Marvel movies seem to have a better overarching story arc than the new SW trilogy.

I want the whole of the trilogy to be greater than the sum of the individual movies. My greatest fear right now is that it will be less, and that just makes me sad for the franchise.

 

What do you think if my overarching idea?

 

JJ Abrams can do it, but I don't think he should do it. What benefit will it bring to him and Episode IX anyways? Revenge? lol

As I was saying, he shouldn't and instead be the one to connect TFA and TLJ together. The fate of the Sequel Trilogy depends on him, and for him to play it his own way, I don't think it'll end up good. In JJ Abrams, my faith is.

 

super Rey vs emo Kylo part 3 for transformer kids audiences. What else to expect.

 

Guys stop. "This is not going to go the way you think."
- Snoke remains dead, or alternatively he's a Dark Side being unlike anything we've seen before. Maybe that's why his body looked so messed up? Maybe that was the Dark Side spilling out, and warping "Snoke"
- Rey's parents are nobody, and aren't important anymore. That question was answered. Let's move along.
- Kylo is the main villain.
- The Knights of Ren will be secondary baddies.
- Hux dies in the first 10 mins, to make room for the KOR.
- Time skip of some sort.

That's about all I'm willing to speculate.

 

I'd buy that. To take it one further. Obviously Leia had Rey sometime after Ben due to their age difference and her hiding Rey could be a way to prevent Snoke to influence Rey like he did with Ben. With that said, I think realistically she's going to still be a "nobody".

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Original thought, but not going to happen. I hope you don't hold this theory to heart because you're going to be setting up yourself with disappointment.

 

not a fan theory...just my opinion on how disney can use the divisive elements of last jedi and turn them into assets for future movies.....one idea in particular is "luke the white"...not only would this be the ultimate means to allow mark hamill luke to return and in the case of marks death continue with a younger actor, but it would also allow for luke skywalker to be the ultimate "corner painter" because luke would always be there to reignite the jedi order(luke is the bridge between the living world and the neatherworld and can return in corporal form when the galaxy needs him most. Most of the divisive elements of last jedi are strengths for future films. My idea not only exploits snokes lack of backstory, but uses it to allow snoke to shine as a character in the OLD REPUBLIC saga....while also expanding the mythology to include whills