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SPOILER Obi-Wan Kenobi Ep. 1-2 Discussion

Discussion in 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' started by LadyMusashi, May 27, 2022.

  1. NinjaRen

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    Obi-Wan was obviously referring to Padme and I can tell you three reasons why it's so obvious:

    1) a daughter most often reminds you of the mother
    2) the last two lines are essential
    Leia: "I'm sorry."
    Ben: "Me too."
    Why 'me too'? Because he's sorry Leia could never met her biological mother.
    3) Satine is too unknown for casual and even for a lot of hardcore SW fans.
     
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    Even close relatives lose track of age of kids and exact time. And they don't live in the desert without a calendar. Plus it's just a way to use dialogue to express shock that she's wise beyond her years.

    I liked the story so far, for a tv show, not bad. No matter what happens, it will always be better than this:

     
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    Yeah, don't like when it happens. PT and BOBF has a lot of this. That's why Andor seems amazing, cause all people seems great eveeywhere. Like RO, every supporring role even with only one sentence and all extras were so connected with the film.
    Must say in Obi Wan looks better than BOBF.

    Mmm, i thought he said "he". That's why i thought in Anakin. Have to listen carefully in second veiwing.

    I have a couple too.
    Why Obi Wan says to Owen that Luke must be trained when he just abandoned all Jedi life style?
    Why the chinese Inquisitor sometimes has an eco and deep cool voice and sometimes not?
     
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    Probably wants to train him to defend himself against what's coming for him, and to educate him so he is not turned to darkness. He realizes he will not be able to complete his mission to protect him forever unless he helps him to help himself.
     
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    I’ve absolutely loved this series so far. If the rest of the show is as good as the first two episodes, it could surpass The Mandalorian as my favorite of the live-action Disney+ series they’ve done so far.

    Ewan McGregor is unsurprisingly fantastic, and I was surprised at how emotional I actually was to see him back in the role of Obi-Wan. While I am glad this is a limited series with a beginning and end, I wouldn’t be disappointed if they found other ways to bring him back into the franchise for other projects as Obi-Wan.

    So far, I’m really enjoying Reva as a character and don’t understand the hate she’s gotten from some fans –– granted, it’s not on the level of Jar Jar or Rose, but some of the complaints I’ve seen on Twitter are absolutely unjustified gripes, especially considering we’re only two episodes in. I get the impression she was one of the younglings we saw in the beginning of the show and that her story will be explored more in future episodes, so I’m not too concerned about the fact that she knows Anakin is Vader or her largely unexplained obsession with bringing Obi-Wan to him.

    It makes perfect sense to me that Leia would be the sole character who could bring Obi-Wan out of hiding on Tatooine, and I love the dynamic between the two characters. Vivien Lyra Blair, who plays Leia in this series, has done an awesome job of capturing the spirit of a young Carrie Fisher –– not to mention, I think the likeness is pretty good, too –– and the writers did a great job of not only making her consistent with the Leia we know and love, but also reminding us that she is indeed Anakin and Padmé’s daughter.

    Lastly, I’ve said this about other Star Wars projects and I’ll say it again –– people are entitled to their opinions, but I absolutely hate when fans complain about things (i.e. the Grand Inquisitor’s “death”) when we’re only two episodes in. It’s obvious that what happened at the end of “Part II” is not where the story ends, so I really think people need to wait until we’ve seen all six episodes before they critique certain things that will almost definitely be explored further in subsequent episodes.

    Deborah Chow has done an amazing job with this series so far, and I hope we see her name attached to many more Star Wars projects in the years ahead.
     
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    I think the way I see it is…the earliest we’ve seen Leia as a character before this was Leia, Princess of Alderaan, and I could be wrong, but I thought she wasn’t too keen on some of the senator/princess stuff there either. But there’s also enough years to go before she gets into being a Senator. (And maybe just me being unaware, but how many kids at 10…want to be politicians?) Bail doesn’t seem too bothered by her interests, more encouraging.

    With Reva…I guess it comes down to if she is meant to be redeemed or not. We know Obi-wan still insists Anakin is gone and it’s only Vader, which suggests to me that he is not involved with Reva turning, if she does. I can see her more dying in the dark due to her ambitions.
     
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    The writers of this show are not consistent with how they write Leia's character. So, at the party they have Leia proclaim the importance of having good manners in front of her impolite cousin. But later on when Leia is together with Obi-Wan she shows no good manners at all. In fact, she is very impolite and ungrateful towards Obi-Wan, and even after she realizes she was wrong about thinking he's not a real Jedi, she doesn't even apologize.

    I think this is big warning signal that the writers see no problem with Leia's behavior. She isn't going to change or learn a lesson, the writers already consider her traits to be "perfectly fine" because they are already not consistent with her traits.
     
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    Agreed. The editing of the prequels actually made them seem much higher quality films than they were. They hit all the high points.
     
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    I think people are misinterpreting the whole "abandonment" thing. I don't think it's like Luke in TLJ at all. Obi-Wan attempts to communicate through the Force, he still has a pretty obvious connection with it, he's had to spend much of the past ten years training himself to even be able to attempt to reach Qui-Gon. The reason he abandons the life of a Jedi is pretty simple, there's a galaxy-wide purge going on and he's been tasked with protecting Luke. He can't do anything that jeopardizes that. It's why he rejects helping the Benny Safdie Jedi, it's why he's so reluctant to help find Leia. Anything that drags him out of the lifestyle he's cultivated over the past decade potentially paints a massive target on his back, that puts not only him at risk, but more importantly, Luke.

    This. I don't know why people are taking it so literally. It's similar to when someone acts out of character towards someone/something and another person, who's known them for years asks, "Who ARE you?"
     
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    Still, don't you think it's very strange to have 10 year old Leia sit in a tree looking at spaceships and being an expert on them? This is the sort of backstory you'd give to a character who grows up to be a pilot (Anakin, Luke, Poe, etc). How many times did we see Leia pilot a spaceship in the OT? I can only think of the time when she briefly sat beside Chewbacca in ANH, but it's unclear if she actually piloted the Falcon at that point. Still, her character arc in the OT was always that of a leader, not a pilot.

    It's ridiculous. Anyone defending this is refusing to see the problem.

    As for Reva, I don't really care either. She's a terribly written character, a blank state with no personality except "I'm a tough girl, don't get it in my way because I'll get what I want".
     
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    I don't think it necessarily has to be linked to a desire to be flying. Leia seems to me like someone who would want to be knowledgeable on just about any subject, and would always be interested in learning more -- as many strong leaders do. Looking for and identifying ships from a distance seems like a way to appease a young inquiring mind. And I very easily could imagine Leia complaining about being bored, having nothing to do and generally bugging her parents, and Bail telling her to go watch the ships coming in and out of the port and report back to him. Heck, I may even use that one on my kids.

    Granted I didn't have this line of thought when I was watching it, but I didn't feel like I was being told that she would rather by flying, either.

    Also, juxtapose that scene with how we observed Luke: actively pretending to be a pilot, helmet and all, and you know he was making sound effects with his mouth too.
    :D

    Or, perhaps you are looking at this from the wrong point of view... ;)
    (obi-wan 4)
     
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    So, only a person with the ambition to be a pilot would be doing this? You know that for certain?
     
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    Were you consistent as a child? I don't think so. Children are all over the place, driven by emotions and curiosity. Is Kid Leia a perfectly written character? No, definitely not. But I think they are doing a fine job with her so far. I find her more interesting than Grogu for a matter of fact.
     
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    very nifty show grand inquistor is obviously not dead my prediction is that he will come back in the last episode and kill reva
     
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    Honestly? I don’t see it as that strange. A kid can be fascinated with one thing, and then a few years later have a different interest. I would almost say that if a character can only have interests in something if that is going to be what they’re character does as an adult, then that is even more limiting. Some people don’t even know what they want to do until they’re older.

    I disagree on Reva being a blank slate. A blank slate is more often an rpg character so players can insert themselves. She has an ulterior motive going on, knowledge that Anakin is Vader. She’s impulsive, and it seems to be that she think’s it’s what she needs to be. It feels very stereotypical Sith, in all honesty. Why? We’ll likely find out. Is that something they need to do in the first 2 episodes? If so, why?

    edit: on Leia talking about manners at the party vs on Daiyo..well one is her at a party where it’s an expectation, and the other is a seedy underworld planet. Yeah, I’m honestly not that surprised she’d act differently in these two situations.
     
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    Carrie would have absolutely loved that performance!

    And I totally agree about Vivien Lyra Blair capturing the Carrie Fisher persona. Its interesting seeing these actors stacking up multiple roles in a way.... VLB playing Carrie Fisher acting as Princess Leia, and Ewan playing Alec Guinness acting as Kenobi. A testament to their craft that it comes through on screen as well as it does.
     
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    I don't know who to respond since I got similar responses from 4 different people. @DarthSnow @DeeRush @NinjaRen @Iotatheta

    This isn't real life - this is the world of film and TV, and there are certain rules you have to follow when writing scripts. Consistency is one thing. Build-up, expectations (which can be subverted), and payoffs are another. It's really very simple. So while I appreciate all of you having vivid imaginations and intriguing answers to explain why certain people act the way they do, it comes off more as defending weak screenwriting because it's something dear to your heart.

    If this series showed 10 year old Luke as being interested in farming, I'm pretty sure you would find a reason to explain it as being normal as well because "kids can change". That's not the point. Showing 10 year old Luke as being interested in farming would be just as ridiculous and character-breaking. Again, this isn't real life and when writing a script you can't just do whatever the hell you want (well, of course you still can but the script will be trash).

    Now if this was an expressionist film that would be something else. But it isn't.
     
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    Reva is one of the younlings at the start, she goes to Kenobi because she wants Anakin. She will try to kill Luke and then remember what Anakin did to the temple and think she can't be as vile as this and redeem herself then. She will be killed later by Vader or Kenobi.


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    When writing a story, yes, consistency and build-up and all that are good. So are making your characters feel like real things. Her having other interests outside of being a senator or rebel makes her feel more like a real and believable character. I’d honestly find her less believable or interesting of a character if she wanted to be a senator and have political talks all day at 10.

    Being fascinated about ships and knowing what they are also doesn’t mean she wants to be a great pilot like her dad or brother. It’s just another thing to make her feel more real, imo.
     
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    This isn't a great example. Luke being interested in farming would be an outright contradiction, Leia being interested in the outdoors and being an adventurer rather than a proper princess is... well, Leia. You're choosing to focus on a small part of the overall picture.
     
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