SPOILER Obi-Wan Kenobi Ep. 4 Discussion

If they shifted to a totally different era, it would take about 90 seconds for people to adopt the same notions of ownership over it as they've formed regarding existing canon. And we'll hear the same complaints. "Missed opportunity to do a, b c instead of x, y, z,", "Nobody asked for this", "It ruins what came before", "She's overshadowing him" etc

 

It's a good idea. I was leaning toward the possibility that they are Force slaves, and their energy is being harvested. It's not in the leaks, but it seems like a possibility. The "tomb" reminds me of a battery of energy cells. Wouldn't that be an exciting ending if they were liberated, and the leaks were a misdirection. Wade's speeder went down in the water. "Wade in the water" was an underground railroad song. Is he really dead? Or does he return with a little help from inside the Fortress Inquisitorious, and Roken's wife? Is Grogu there? Guess we'll find out. Only 2 shows left. Give us a grand finale with all those lightsabers inside the fortress put to good use by people who know how to use them.

 

Or maybe some segment of fans need to lighten up a bit. This show is a blockbuster ratings hit and -- as you said -- most fans are enjoying the hell out of it. So what's the problem?

If this is all about it not getting the audience poll numbers you want to see from Rotten Tomatoes, it doesn't alway mean some grand conspiracy is afoot. My wife and I are also watching Stranger Things right now and while I'm finding this season to be fun, the writing is very uneven IMHO. So I'm a bit surprised at this season's current "90%" audience score on Rotten Tomatoes -- but I hardly think its contrived.

 

I remember reading something somewhere after PT being released.
Something like "I can enjoy and love the best and cool moments of PT like I enjoyed all the OT and at the same time hate the worst and cringey parts".

Certainly OW has really good moments, but also has very bad ones.
We can be little critics sometimes too and asking for more competent stories and still we will be rewatching all SW content cause we love SW.

 

Of all the DisneyPlus content I have seen, "Obi-Wan" is proving to be my favorite. I have a few quibbles. Yes, using 10-year-old Leia in a chase scene was not that plausible to watch. And I didn't see the point in killing or badly wounding the Grand Inquisitor . . . unless this was about leaving his position temporarily open to other inquisitors. But his position could have been threatened by Reva even if she had never stabbed him. Otherwise, I'm enjoying it even more than I did "The Mandalorian" and "The Book of Boba Fett". The former's writing still requires more tightening. And if it were not for a few episodes of the latter, especially the very enjoyable finale, I would have considered it to be a waste of my time.

 

Wade in the water. God's gonna trouble the water.


Plot twist? Have tissues ready:

Spoiler

Is Wade one of the force sensitives on the path? Is he one of the younglings from the beginning of the series?

 

The show has deliberately left it a mystery. However, there's no doubt in my mind it will be addressed sometime before the end of the Season.

Whether the explanation will satisfy you or not is a different question but -- rest assured -- it will be explained.

 

Really enjoyed this one, after the disappointing 3rd episode.

Vader was on screening but briefly, this is the way they should continue with him.

There are some cool moments and small details that takes you right to ANH (communicator), TESB (torture room) and TPM (under water respirator).

Very excited for the 5th one.

 

This attachment made me laugh. "Beaten by a diverse group of heroes"... Remember those seven people of color and the alien puppets? And the five female speaking parts that they mixed in with all the white dudes?

Obviously I'm exaggerating here, but the point is that part of the reason people have such a hard time with new Star Wars content is because they have romanticized their nostalgic feelings about Star Wars and they don't remember what they actually saw. Nothing can compare with the story in their heads.

 

This could be the unexpected, epic ending it needs to be. Maybe the big finish will have the familiar SW music score to stir those emotions too. The ending comes during the time of the year in the US, that celebrates the anniversary of June 19, 1865, "Juneteenth" Union Army general order number 3 in Texas, that ended institutional slavery of black people in the U.S., in its form at that time.

 

I'm pretty sure that Kenobi wouldn't use "tomb" just as a figure of speech.

And that he can sense the absence of living force in the bodies interned there.

 

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It just seems odd that the bodies have no damage, and they look like they were frozen conscious with their eyes open.

 

*shrug* Who knows? That was not established in the episode, and... Kenobi is famous for not speaking clearly and to twist his points, from a certain point of view.

On a related note, remind me - since I have a non-functioning memory: When Kanan & Ezra goes to rescue Luminara Unduli in Rebels, do they feel that she's actually dead, or do they just see her decomposed? I can't remember if they feel her in the Force, or something.

 

the projection deactivates and they see her all decayed and then they gasp and then the grand inquistor says i am the inquistor and then he cuts them into noodles

 

The projection is a hologram thing, right? Not some sort of Dark Side illusion? Or was that never established?

 

I liked this one.

I can see how it's not everyone's cup of tea, but once again...

It's maybe not a big game-changer in Star Wars lore, but there's also very little actively wrong with it, if anything. Some of y'all just gonna have to die mad someday, I guess.

 

Nice post, cawatrooper but I feel compelled to say this episode may well turn out to be a game-changer if we discover the tomb OB found is not a tomb after all.

 

Star Wars is for everyone, even those with bones to pick over the new stuff....

 

If the stage hasn't been set for something big to happen at the fortress, then that episode seems like a big zero. Just another time-consuming Leia rescue with some fun things to look at in a short series. The elements there leave a lot to the imagination of possibilities--- the "tombed" characters, the lightsabers, the unused ships on deck, and "Wade in the water," which could be a reference to the underground railroad and safe houses, Harriet Tubman, slave liberation. The series has already focused on "the path," an underground railroad for force sensitives and Jedi, which is why "Wade" in the water caught my attention.

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I could be completely wrong. But a tomb can be also an important symbol in myths, of consciousness entombed, not merely a physical body. In mystery initiations, for instance, initiates symbolically die in a tomb and are resurrected into the light. The dark side is all about killing consciousness.

It makes sense to me that if you capture a force user, maybe you stick them into cells and make them energy slaves that Vader and Sheev feed on like vampires. Maybe I'm adding too much thought to a very simple story that stays in the shallow end of the pool.

As I said previously, sometimes in SW, things seem really stupid until you sit and ponder them like you would think about a dream, and what it means. A fortress with no shields that is called impenetrable, as a metaphor has a totally different meaning than the stupid thing it seems to be. Same with a laser barricade you could've walked around, but shot down and destroyed it instead in ep 3. Are we going that deep here? I usually don't get SW stories until the very end, such as with Rey's staff that was broken down in the final scene of TROS, symbolizing a unified polarity.