SPOILER Obi-Wan Kenobi Ep. 5 Discussion

Immature for their age and their position. But Obi-Wan and Luke matured. Anakin and Reva arguably never did.

 

The flashback training circle appeared to be the same training circle from the opening scenes in Kenobi episode 1. In the overhead shots, it looks to me like an eye, a symbol of consciousness. You see reflection on the ground. You see the blue lightsabers, a symbol of mind in SW. A sword in general is a symbol of mind, and here we see the mind of the master and the mind of the pupil at work. In the occult, it corresponds to the ancient element air, and this scene is high up in the open air. In episodes 3-4-5, we have passed through chakras 3-4-5 in westernized kundalini yoga, ascending the ladder in consciousness, as the Jedi begin to rebound from the fall to the bottom. In ep. 3, Freck was animal consciousness driving up to the 4th chakra. Joseph Campbell stuff.

Based on that model, in a final episode, you might see things pertaining to:
non-duality, coming together to unity, union of opposites
yoking to the transcendent
spirituality
intuition
release, liberation
enlightenment
a return "home" which is an obvious one.

 

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I forgot an important one on that list: lotus. Padme. I doubt they would put her in, but who knows. The 7th chakra is called the thousand-petaled lotus. She is a symbol of connection to the divine. She's very important symbolically, because she ruled over Naboo, posted about previously, and the symbol returned in TROS as Palpatine's throne-- a dead lotus. It would be beautiful symbolism for Darth to be trying to revive a dead lotus, not being able to figure it out.
Here are a couple more...
The color purple also is part of this connection at the crown chakra. Mace Windu in the PT.
End of suffering.

We're moving up into the 6th and 7th chakras in episode 6.

 

I’m not sure I get this. Wasn’t Carrie Fishers heart attack that killed of Leia and not JJ Abrams? Since CF passed, what would have had JJ do?

 

The whole sequel trilogy was the Leia Skywalker/Organa trilogy. She is the mythological moon goddess. It fits for her to have ascended with Luke, the sun. Each step of the way here, she is rescued from a moon. (That's no moon!) In the Kenobi series, she is the little crescent moon, just starting to shine to return light to the material world-- symbolized by the dark new moon in ANH, the world in darkness. In Kenobi episode 4, we witnessed on a water moon, a baptism, that will rebirth Jedi consciousness, killed by Anakin, and entombed.

The light burned out from the world when darkness fell in the PT = and that darkness, that unenlightened state of the people, is the destroyer of whole worlds. The death star is the material world that in darkness, has been turned into a system, a killing and destroying machine, detached from everything sacred. At the end of ROTS, the sunlight and moon were separated when their sacred lotus mother died (Padme)-- your secret marriage to the divine.

There are symbols throughout the ST, of the sacred feminine, goddess returning. Then at the end of TROS, you see the three women-- three phases of the illuminated moon, hinting that Leia is the full moon-- shining bright, and light of the sun, Luke Skywalker, has fully returned to the world. It's her trilogy 100%

In Kenobi ep. 5, she's climbing the ladder and doing energy work. The moon goddess is getting to work on working on consciousness to open the way out.

Han "Solo" is maybe your ego, riding with the beast.

 

This is something that comes up disturbingly often. Even here on the cantina. Some fans have really lost their bearings so completely while trying to enhance the status of their dislike or disappointment at the ST, "Disney", Abrams and/or Johnson, that they forget that Abrams was not even involved in TROS until Carrie died. In fact it was a direct result of it. And the way that TROS turned out was determined in great part by the dilemma of trying to include Carrie/Leia in a way that was appropriate.

But that doesn't stop folk from regularly accusing "them" of gleefully killing Leia off. One poster on here actually accuses other fans of being complicit in this process by being OK with it. As if anyone is OK with Carrie's premature passing.

 

I like to think this stems more from a place of just wanting the Leia character to live on as a tribute to Carrie rather than angst over perceived disrespect.

 

I don't think it's that at all.

 

Huh?

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One, Obi-Wan took a long time to really mature. In fact, I'm not sure if he really had, even after death. I think Anakin and Luke's actions in "Return of the Jedi" may have finally allowed Obi-Wan to fully mature. Luke's journey into maturity was just beginning by the end of "Return of the Jedi". Anakin eventually matured by the end of "Return of the Jedi". Also, Reva's story has just begun, unless she ends up being killed off. Why would you expect her to be fully mature at this point in her story and at her age? I don't understand that.

 

The show has struck an aesthetic balance between the OT & PT that makes it easy to immerse yourself, as soon as you sit down to watch....

Reva surviving as a youngling AFTER being stabbed by Darth Vader is quite the feat. Given how Master Qui Gon passed; Reva's flashback did cause an eyebrow to raise, if only but for a moment. If she survives this show; she will have cheated more death than stinking Darth Plagueis.

Agreed. The episode screamed FALLEN ORDER to me!!! The Imperial tracker /hacker /slicer /do it all thing feels very forced. Pun intended.

Great point. The flashbacks were well conceived and perfectly paired, but the siege itself was a mix of clunky, disjointed and frenetic.

There are a handful of classic Star Wars' moments in this show and I tip my cap to those who produced them. It really does have some great scenes. The show is strong enough to endure petty criticisms and it's own shortcomings because it has more meat to work with (pun intended) than BOBF.

This show planted a different movie in my head and now I want to know who taught Reva the secret to cheating death.... as a child.

Ewan looked about the same.... I wonder why they didn't bother with Hayden? I mean, they made Young Luke for Mando. He nailed the performance, he just looks 20m years older than the last time we saw him there, in the same spot. So yea; I think that was something they could have handled, at least for the closeup shots.

Overall KENOBI has been fun; a nice blend of some classic SW moments along with a couple of things to scratch your head about.... all while being presented at a pretty decent pace.

 

$$$$$$$$?

 

For what it's worth, at least some people feel that way. I sure do.

I hated that in the wake of Carrie's death, so much of the conversation was how Leia would be "killed off". Watching Leia die, after losing Carrie, felt wrong, and frankly wasn't something I was interested in seeing.

I'm not saying that there's necessarily anything amoral with how it was handled- just that there were definitely creative ways of handling Leia and Carrie's legacy that didn't involve grotesquely puppeteering her around before unceremoniously killing off the character.

 

Obviously I'm not talking about the future. And I'm not talking about Anakin's moment of dying.

Lots of 18-20 year olds are not immature. Particularly the few that are in a position of importance. Anakin and Reva were and are immature for their age and particularly for the jobs they had/have at around 20 years old. (Especially if they've been raised by a society of venerated warrior philosophers.)

 

Disney prints money. Cost is never an excuse for any Empire.

This is exactly as I see it. And for this very reason; if the shows mucks up Episode #6, I'll be quite content to stop play on Episode #5 as the transport flies away when Vader looks up as my personal edit to the shows end. It's really a win win. They nail it? Fine. They fail? I'm good.

I'm not in the same boat here, my Star Wars friend. The flashback they shared was clear to me that she has been stabbed twice, in the same exact manner. Gotta say that I have really enjoyed the flashbacks here, regardless of where they lead our mind's eye to splinter.

I was unable to fully embrace the meta vision approach, as you and the others have. Rest assured - nothing was ruined, my childhood is still mostly intact.... I just wish they would have gone the same visual distance with father and son.

I guess Mando Luke has clouded my vision.

"I am certainly watching her character arc, with great interest."

 

Kenobi ep 5 also lines up with the Movie 5- Empire Strikes Back. When we see a poorly de-aged Anakin, maybe they want us to think about:

"He is too old. Yes, too old to begin the training." Yoda The scene where Force ghost Kenobi is trying to convince Yoda to train Luke.

If they could have done it better, there may be an artistic reason they didn't.

 

I don't agree. I can tell that he has aged. He looks great, but yeah . . . he has aged.

I don't know whether Reva had been stabbed or not during Order 66. But her surviving being stabbed twice is a lot more plausible to me that Darth Maul surviving after being sliced in half, before falling down a shaft.

 

I’m sharing it here because it has some spoilers from ep 5, but I found this an amusing and actually pretty well thought article once I got past the majorly clickbait title https://decider.com/2022/06/15/obi-wan-kenobi-kill-young-luke-skywalker-theories/

 

Recast the character, like they did when the lead actor of the show Spartacus died. Write out the character but let them live, like they did when the actor who played Brian in the Fast & Furious series died. CGI layer over Mo-Cap, like they did with Young Leia and Young Tarkin in Rogue One. An actor's death doesn't mean that a character has to die with them. Just because one person brought a character to life doesn't mean that their lives are now so intwined that the character MUST die or sacrifice themselves once the actor dies. I find that line of thought limiting and a disservice to both the actor and the character. Maybe it's just me, but if I brought a character to life and was known as that character, I'd want the character to live on after I did, as a sort of legacy.

Usually yeah, but the CGI of the ships in Episodes 4 and 5 broke the immersion for me. The way they looked and moved felt more out of something from a decade ago at least...or maybe the CW (who I still love but is known for their terrible CGI in most cases).

As others have said, I'm not so sure she was stabbed as a kid. But again, if Maul can survive getting cut in half and if Palpatine can survive being killed by two separate explosions, then Reva can survive this.

 

I view this as just a revelation of Reva's instead of a flashback. In reality she may have hid or ran, but in this image she has as she's dying.. Vader may as well killed her back then. Her destiny was always to be killed by Vader, and she achieved nothing by evading it the first time.

The message is, Vader ALWAYS finishes the job.