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SPOILER Obi-Wan Kenobi Ep. 5 Discussion

Discussion in 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' started by Meister Yoda, Jun 15, 2022.

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    To Reva, it’s Anakin killing her,
     
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    Yeah, they absolutely crushed it with all things Dark Father in Eppy 5.


    The shot from inside the decoy as the last piece of the hull is force-torn away, as Vader looks up at the Falcon fleeing Hoth refugee ship escaping....


    Man, that is about as good as it gets for me in the Star Wars feels department.... being reminded of George & Irv's magic.


    Like, gleefully 8 again while watching him there.
     
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    It's happened so often, it could almost be played as a joke. "Oh hey, bad guy watches helplessly as good guys get away.... again." But like you I see it as just the opposite. Star Wars drama at its finest.

    Seeing Vader watch a ship escape, knowing that in his mind he is already pivoting from frustration to plotting his next move. Classic Star Wars. Classic Vader.
     
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    Getting schooled there by Kenobi, seriously.... he's still such a learner.
     
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    No wonder I was getting a serious 'Karen' vibe from her the moment I started watching the show.


    Poor woman has not been able to let go of what happened to her as a child, and that's exactly where her mind is. She lives in the past and is filled with anger and resentment.
    And to borrow from a character in a favourite book of mine. It makes her easy to manipulate. And that is exactly she has become. Too blinded by anger and resentment to carefully come up with a plan.

    I also found Ben's words to Anakin priceless.:

    “You’re a great warrior Anakin, but your need to prove yourself will be your undoing. Until you over come it, you'll always be a Padawan.”

    Ironically, Both Ben's statement to Anakin and Reva's behaviour/attitude really made me think of TFM.



    It's simple. They expected Obi Wan to take up his laser sword and fearlessly take down all comers. And maybe bed a comely woman or two in the process. Essentially they wanted a fan insert with an action figure. Not a real life flesh and blood human being.

    I honestly don't understand where these people are getting this idea that SW is about this. I am listening to an audio book set in the EU and there are some good ideas and questions. SW was never supposed to be a Jason Stathem or Micheal Bay movie.


    Honestly I am really enjoying this show. It has the right blend of action while at the same time looking at the human condition and what makes people to behave in certain ways.
     
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    Before the show was announced, I had a plan for a Kenobi movie trilogy in my head.* In the second movie of that story, Kenobi left not because Leia was kidnapped, but because Luke was kidnapped. The story was about rescuing them both. (Spoiler alert - Kenobi failed by the end of the second movie, and Bail and Breha ask the Empire for help; the Empire sends Vader.) The point is, the plot of this story didn't need to be about Leia. Luke could have fit in nearly just as well, and possibly have provided some fun (for us) action for the Lars family. The point would have been less about Obi-Wan bonding with a young child, and more about him coming to terms with his life and finding some sort of uneasy peace with the Lars. It's another path the story could have gone, as it could have gone a thousand other ways.

    Likewise, Leia has been a...topic of discussion. I don't know any younger viewers who I can ask about this, but all of my friends who watch this show are my age or a little older, and none of them like how much Leia is in it. Now, they're all men, and I'm curious how my friends who are women will respond when they watch the show (all of them are super busy right now).


    Probably so that she gets a solid redemption arc, something sorely missing in Star Wars for most characters. Oh, and so they can avoid the fate of a woman of color associated with the Dark Side/antagonists dying at the end of her first outing. I personally wouldn't mind this outcome, but if Leia was surrounded by former Inquisitors, a few Jedi, and probably some other Force Sensitive people, it really begs the question of why she didn't tell Ezra, or better yet, Luke. Or why nobody figured out she was Force Sensitive until later on.


    *Any expectations I put on the show for not living up to the story I had planned and where I thought the story could or should go are faults of my own, not the story being told. This goes for all things. We can judge stories on how well we feel they achieved what they set out to do, and little things like fanservice or alternate plans that we know about, but judging them on what we thought they should do is a slippery slope. I've fallen down it, and it's not a comfortable ride. That being said, any other gripes I have with the show are the show's alone, and not something I can blame on preconceived notions.
     
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    Agree to disagree. Carrie Fisher = Leia. Recasting would have been far less tasteful. The character of Leia isn’t some commodity you can just repackage and resell. No one lives forever even beloved ones from our childhood. I think they made a great choice with Leia under the circumstances. It was one of the few creative choices in that movie that I liked.
     
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    We already have had scores of fans here upset with the fact that Leia and Obi-wan have established a history with one another as a result of this show. Personally, I haven't thought it changed ANH at all, but some here have felt differently.

    I mention this because directly involving Luke in this story is, IMHO, a totally different deal. One of the compelling things about Luke Skywalker's background is that he's portrayed as a naive farm boy at the time ANH takes place. If that were to change as a result of this week's finale, I think that's much more problematic than little Leia's involvement has been.
     
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    With another series set on Tatooine? That's a bit too much for me.
     
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    IMO, him being the victim of a kidnapping doesn't have to undo his naivety, if done well. It just adds a dimension to his past and to his relationship with Owen and Beru. Where Luke may not remember the events well, he wants and yearns for adventures, as all do his age. Owen and Beru are now not just worried about him ending up like his father in terms of dying as a Jedi, but also because they remember the danger he was in before and want to keep him safe.
    The key would be to make sure Luke is separate from Obi-Wan, and change the context of the show from someone hunting Obi-Wan to Obi-Wan being the proactive one and catching the Empire's eye. That's a different show, yes, but that's the point - there is never "there was only one way this thing could have gone," because every decision, every line, every approval casts shuts the door on another "what if."

    Yeah, I can see how it upsets some people. It doesn't really bother me, at least not directly, but I can see why it might bother others. It's a victim of prequels - the more you write into a prequel, the more retroactive questions you're liable to create. And when you have something as established as A New Hope...yeah, feelings are going to come out. (Although I don't think we have nearly enough people on this forum to call us "scores." Maybe in the wider fandom that feeling is shared to some extent, but we number in the dozens at most, so maybe one score, but not scores.)
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    Not at all. I'd propose Luke being kidnapped (and out of it for most of the show so that he doesn't remember it and we don't have to deal with the kid tagalong - and to increase the palpable horror of the situation) and the Lars and Obi-Wan go off to rescue him.
     
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    It'd be funny if Luke slept through the whole thing.
     
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    Why does it have to be Luke, instead of Leia?
     
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    Nor Luke or Leia.
    I whish this show was more focused in OW struggles (in hidding, surviving, learning), more training, more isolation (i was waiting to see OW house like ANH and him reading, meditating or whatever), more phylosophical (nothing!), more Yoda and Dagobah (nothing!!!), more Vader and Emperor (nothing!!!) in the background, more flashbacks, more scum and villany, more Jedi books (nothing!!!), more dark, more pain, more Force planets, more deep.
     
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    I feel like the finale vindicated the idea that Reva was not stabbed by Anakin during order 66. For Reva, she died that day. She ceased to be who she was. Because of what Anakin did. But also, as she saw it, because she failed to stop it. When she was stopped by her vision of herself
    as she tried to kill Luke
    she was reminded that "this is never who I was" as Tala had exclaimed at Inquisitorous.

    The feeling of ceasing to be who you are following a failure is the thing that has afflicted Obi-Wan too.
     
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    Frankly it doesn't need to be either, but Luke is an easier and more tangible example. Obi-Wan sees Luke as his responsibility, so there's less resistance for the story. No more "I'm not who I was" or "get someone else," since Kenobi would already be willing to go. The real points of my example are that they don't have to pair up Kenobi with a kid to make the story work, and that there's no "this was the only way" for any story. I can come up with why Luke would work, someone else can come up with something else, and so on. I'm sure the Deborah Chow and her team of writers went over dozens if not hundreds of potential plot points. They chose what they thought fit the best, but it wasn't the only one.
     
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    This is the ending that I've hoping for and know that I won't get.
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    I am so content with pressing pause as Vader looks up in the last episode and calling the series good.
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    I am wholly undecided on whether or not to watch.
     
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    It's not like looking into the Ark of the covenant. Your head is not going to explode. :rolleyes:
     
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    You know...Terrio did something like that with Rey, and he always said TROS was his personal 'fan fiction'.
     
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    He…he did and said what??
     
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