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SPOILER Obi-Wan Kenobi Ep. 6 Discussion

Discussion in 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' started by Lord Phanatic, Jun 21, 2022.

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    The part of the fight scene, where it's over and Vader tells Kenobi that it was Anakin that destroyed himself, and that it was not Kenobi's failure... Is that a confused forgiveness, even though he is still filled with rage and says he still wants to kill Kenobi? I think so. An intuitive realization more than a forgiveness in heart. He's more upset that his master bested him again, and struggling with his thoughts and feelings. His mask came off partially in this one, similar to how his whole mask came off in ROTJ. It's a hint at his weakness that finally turns him around in ROTJ-- his heart. It's a glimpse of the tiny amount of humanity still under that mask. The emperor says, "I wonder if your thoughts are clear on this, Lord Vader. Perhaps your feelings for your old master have left you weakened." Vader's getting the feels a little bit there at the end. This is that small sliver of moonlight, a crack letting a small sliver of that light into the world.

    The emperor spoke of thoughts and feelings, again, those same two things Kenobi told Leia were her mother's qualities-- wisdom and love. If you look at the rainbow ladder I posted under the 'is palpatine really dead' thread, those top 4 steps of the ladder are all up inside the temple-- the temple inside of you, where we have gone in episode 4,5,6 after tearing down the fence at the temple doors. The emperor doesn't want him up in that temple except to destroy. Because this is a fight with Kenobi's blue lightsaber, it symbolizes a struggle in the mind and thoughts. It's Vader finding the rational conclusion that he did it to himself. Whereas Luke connected Anakin back to his heart, Kenobi fixed his thoughts there. But he will still continue to carry out the emperor's will, until he is centered in the heart. In other words, Master Kenobi did the same thing for Vader's mind that Luke did for his heart.

    Here's that small sliver of light, easier to see when lightened. The mythological moon goddess at waxing crescent phase. At the end of TROS, the three women are the three phases of the illuminated moon, with Leia in full moon phase.
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    Here are the symbols for the entrance to the temple inside of you, that has been destroyed and from which they're now cut off. Does that make sense?
    Going back to ROTS:
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    Going back to Kenobi ep. 3:
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    Well... Obi-Wan 2-0 vs. Anakin/Vader.

    For me though. Like others have mentioned, when Obi-Wan said he was sorry for all of it. That was just too good. Heck I teared up. But even more powerful for me than that or at least as equal as was, after half of his mask was hacked off and you hear the mixing of the voices because his voice changer(I think it is called a Vocoder) is shorting out. Mixing the voices like that just sent it over the top in sound design. That was incredible.
     
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    Master Kenobi, then, is the hero of the mind. Luke is the hero of the heart. When Luke is trained, he is trained by Kenobi the wielder of the blue lightsaber, then Yoda the wielder of the green lightsaber. Mind and heart brought together, to keep down evil and throw it out of the temple and down that shaft to the bottom.

    Luke couldn't outfox Vader in the mind with the blue lightsaber. Kenobi did. Luke had the power to turn his heart, with the green lightsaber. This turned out to be an important series. Of course the master is the winner of the mind and the child is the winner of the heart.... That's beautiful. I never got that before this. That's the Luke scene in this series too. He turns Reva's heart, because she see's the child in him and connects with the child inside of her. I'm getting the Reva story now.

    This series was shown on Woden's Day (Wednesday), a god in other cultures as Hermes, Mercury, Thoth, and Nabu. Does that last one sound familiar? It's a reference to the mind and wisdom.
     
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    Honestly, I can say the show had its ups and downs, but I'd say once again I let the toxic Fandom ruin my experience listening. I understand certain segments the writing and story could've been improved but overall I'm satisfied with the finale.

    Have you ever watched a show or read a book and your perspective of life seems different almost as if you have been renewed once it's over? That's how I felt this episode, I cried. The fight between Vader and Kenobi was amazing.
     
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    If you want to be super literal and scientific, Vader’s voice module didn’t make that much sense, even before this series. We saw in ROTJ that Anakin’s vocal cords appear to still be functional, so it’s not totally clear why he ever even needed a voice module. I guess it’s just to make him more intimidating and possibly to disguise his identity (which is apparently also the reason for Kylo Ren’s voice mod). So I guess now the system is just partially malfunctioning, causing us to hear both voices.

    But I’m okay with this part of the story being a bit fanciful. I mean, if I could get a module that changed my voice to James Earl Jones’, I would totally want to use it. :)
     
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    It has been said here before, it makes perfect sense to me.
    Obi-Wan presses onto Leia at the end, their relationship has to remain a secret. She never forgot... so when she records her message in ANH, she keeps things in the vein of calling upon the help of her fathers old acquaintance, just in case the message DOES get intercepted.

    On the contrary... it makes perfect sense!
    Everything the Emperor has ever said to Anakin, was twisted, condescending and meant to keep him just slightly unbalanced.
    This was the only way he could keep Vader under his control.

    The "Vader-voice" is generated by a vocoder (voicebox) in his helmet, not Anakin/Vader himself!
    The switching-between-voices was simply his damaged vocoder glitching!
     
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    You're going to flip out when you get this after this series--- When Luke appears to Kylo in TLJ, he has the blue lightsaber. He is the master, and he is winning Kylo's mind there. I wonder if that's a projection of Kenobi's lightsaber he has? Does anyone know whose lightsaber Luke has in his force projection in TLJ? The struggle Luke went through was mental in TLJ, and his appearance to defeat Kylo was him finally winning with a blue sword. The mind. Luke was master of both heart and mind in the end.
     
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    The series was saved by the finale and by John Williams. Overall I was pretty disappointed with the majority of the first 5 episodes and went into episode 6 with pretty low expectations but it mostly delivered more of what I thought the series was capable of. Ewan remains the standout among of sea of mediocre acting performances - he is just a gem. Pretty dumb decision by Obi-wan to let Vader live AGAIN, but they story kind of backed itself into a corner with the rematch. Nevertheless, solid finale.

    Only other thing I think is worth mentioning is the finale was yet another reminder that John Williams music cannot be replaced in Star Wars - his themes elevate everything. His music raised this finale up significantly. I completely appreciate what Göransson and Giacchino have brought to Star Wars but neither can elevate the material in the same way Williams themes and motifs can. After George Lucas there is no one more important to Star Wars than John Williams.
     
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    Though it indeed helps to make him more menacing and hide his identity, the behind the scenes footage from ANH (where we hear the voice of David Prowse, wearing the mask) is actually a nice indicator. That was Prowses voice in an empty mask... a bit highpitched and muffled.
    Now imagine what you would hear from a helmet full of electronics, breathing-equipment and the like.
    So when you need to amplifie Vaders voice, why not make it a bit more "impressive"? ;)
    --- Double Post Merged, Jun 23, 2022 at 2:38 AM, Original Post Date: Jun 23, 2022 at 2:22 AM ---
    The whole scene of Obi-Wan buried under a tonne of rocks, was about him reconnecting with the Force and letting go of everything else.
    Essentialy becoming one with the Force. Obi-wan became a full fledged Jedi again! (He needed to be if he had any hopes of beating Vader.)

    He did no just beat Vader, he utterly defeated him.. again. He damn near obliterated Vader!
    However.. kiling a defeated opponent is "not the Jedi way!" So it makes perfect sense to leave him alive with a sad and awkard "Goodbye... Darth!'
     
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    No, it's not the Kenobi saber. That would have been goosebumps. Same symbolism though-- mind.
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    If they do a season 2, I doubt Vader and Kenobi meet. I think that was it. That's a pretty good stopping point for that part. Maybe Reva decides to go into the fortress and get those Jedi out, as she holds a lot of inside information. The surviving Jedi keep Vader preoccupied. Kenobi works on learning to become a force ghost. Reva may go back to the grand inquisitor and give him another good reason for surviving besides revenge. Love. I could see her going to get that youngling out of the tomb.

    They showed symbolism from the mysteries, in ep. 4, that the fortress is a tomb for consciousness.

    Bravo on the ending.
     
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    I really enjoyed this one. A lot of things others said. Obi-wan and Vader’s conversation was great. The lighting of the sabers reflecting the mood was beautiful. Kenobi and Vader showing….a lot of power. Reva’s redemption I didn’t expect, but my thought is………….
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    ok, cool. That’s the story the went with, I see it. I can accept it. At least we may see another personal actually trying to walk a path of reconciliation/restitution, and not just ending on redemption.

    there was just something about the idea being the final payoff of the show that just hit the right notes in my head XD

    I’m sorry but..is this all a troll? I can’t help but wonder every time you post these rants with no explanation why “bad”

    maybe me reading a bit much into it, but I took it as when she said “Justice”, it felt to me like it was justice against Vader taking away her fellow younglings/her childhood.

    if I may, why doesn’t it make sense? Nothing necessarily prohibits them from meeting again between the films. If you mean that line, well, I’d say the show did well enough giving new/more context to those lines.

    with Palpatine, Vader knows he’s only alive so long as he’s useful to and serving Palpatine. Earlier in Vader’s life, in Soule’s comic run, we had a moment where Palpatine also had to tell Vader to stop killing everyone who upsets him because then they wouldn’t have an Empire. If Palpatine says to drop it, you better drop it.

    i still don’t get why people say it doesn’t make sense for Leia to have met Obi-wan. Her message starts as formal, and then becomes personal, using his first name and saying he’s *her* only hope. And later knows exactly who Luke means when he says “I’m here with Ben Kenobi,” and even later adds weight to calling her son Ben :)
     
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    I had thought that sooner or later, I would find myself dissatisfied with "Obi-Wan". And yet . . . it is the only DisneyPlus SW series - so far - that has fully satisfied me from the beginning to the end. Sure, it had a few flaws, like the far shots during the lightsaber duels that I found annoying. But there were no plot developments that did not truly irk or bore me. And I cannot say the same for the other Disney SW series. Not even "The Mandalorian".
     
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    Great finale.

    I whish all episodes were that dark and deep.
    It felt more cinematic, the acting was great and great shots. Slightly better written than other episodes.
    The fight and dialogs between OW and Vader probably is the best part of the show. The planet, the dark, the words. Really worked in a great emotional level. Ewan is so great here.

    When John Williams notes appear here and there the level of the images also increases. Notes from ESB Hoth scenes are eargasmic.

    I always thought OW was the first Jedi to become a Force Ghost. But Qui Gon is an incredible character so I guess it's something I can live with. Not bad how they managed it. "You have to believe and see". Like humans with our third eye if we meditate and work the mind enough?

    When Vader says "prepare my ship" I was "omg his Tie Fighter! His Tie Fighter!!" XD but Imperial Shuttle is a hell of a ship too and its shots are also orgasmic.

    Weird tempo with the battle, Reva, and Kenobi travelling to Tatooine in 20 seconds.

    My thoughts are Reva is a pointless character (not sure if it justfies all she has done in previous episodes). Bad written development, but maybe is just me.

    Great great moment.

    At the end, the whole story is Anakin's Tragedy. That was very well reflected. And was very sad.

    Yeah, that's quite weird.
    I guess listening Organa saying something about the boy forces she to go there. Kill him, kill her past. Finish what Vader started.
    Ok if she knows that kid can be force sensitive but I just hope she really doesn't know is Anakin's son. Just another youngling.


    Am open with a second more "dark" season. With Yoda, aging characters, Force talks, Isolation, more Emperor, no more meetings with Leia or Vader with OW, but more Vader stories...
     
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    6th episode = third eye chakra.
     
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    The one criticism I have is when Kenobi and Qui Gon meet and one of them says "It took you long enough." and the other says "I though you'd never come..."

    :rolleyes: Get new material l, gents. Try not to make the exact same joke twice.
     
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    Rey: "lifting rocks".
     
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    Someone said they wanted a Rocky scene. Who was it? You got it, sort of. @eeprom
     
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    Owen and Beru's death has changed my perspective on that scene. I'd always assumed they were taken by surprise, but I like to think they went out like badasses taking out several stormtroopers.
     
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    One of my favorite moments in this episode was Leia making Obi-Wan laugh. He barely smiled through the entire show, hearing him laugh was pure joy.

    Also elements of Mythos Obi-Wan statue in his final costume was a nice touch.
     
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