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RUMOR Obi-wan Kenobi's descendant

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Ammogeddon, Dec 10, 2014.

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    Nephew of the Biggs family?
     
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    Totally true.

    But...

    It's something that would totally take you out of the film for at least a moment, no doubt of that.
     
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    She's Kim Calrissian. I'm sure of it.

    Even then...everyone's got kids and they're all in the thick of things. Niebby and Naddy Nunb, Mark Mothma, even little IG-88 jr. It all seems so damn convoluted...
     
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    NOOOOooooooOOO!
     
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    anyway I'm pretty sure the 'secret black Kenobi' thing is a knock at George Lucas' personal life.
     
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    And she goes out with Han's rocker son: Drum Solo
     
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    To clarify, I don't mind a few relatives of the old cast. I hope Obi doesn't have any kids cause I imagined him to be a hermit, not someone getting tons of desert nookie. As far as bigs is concerned, he prolly sired half the second generation of rebels. How do you think he got the nickname? ;)
     
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    I've felt that way too. A few months ago, before the good times...before the Cantina...there was talk about Boyega being Luke's son to incorporate George's personal life into it...or if John was actually Luke's biological son, then it would be because Luke married a black woman (again, same concept).

    You know he got plenty of mileage out of that mustache.
     
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    While I agree that having to retcon a Kenobi baby takes you out of the film, I don't really see how race impacts that one way or the other. Whether the mother is white, black, or Twi'lek, you have to justify the baby existing. Unless there is some sort of subtle racism in the SW universe that prohibits interracial cavorting (which I'm pretty sure there isn't) the race of the mother doesn't make it any more or less confusing or probable.
     
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    I think I'm more implying that if she were to introduce herself as a Kenobi, I find it hard to believe people's immediate reaction wouldn't be "wait...what? O_o"....

    Think of it like the audience being that guy at the South African embassy in Lethal Weapon when Danny Glover tells him he wants to go there, his response is "but...but...you're black."

    Just saying....that and I feel like any of that needs or wants back story and this movie could be in danger of needing a lot of that already.
     
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    If this were a movie taking place in WW2 or the 60's, I'd likely agree with you. In that historical context, an interracial relationship would require context as there would clearly be a story to tell about how it occurred.

    But, in a universe seemingly free of any racial prejudice, there isn't any more story to tell based on the race or species of Kenobi's mating buddy. If you start to try and explain that away based on perceived subjective bias from the audience, then you risk losing story coherence to cater to a few people who may be put off or confused by something that most of the world has grown accustomed to. It also creates a slippery slope of at which point you stop trying to cater to all possible perspectives or biases. Do you cut out Jedi references to Buddhism for fear of angering or confusing Christians. Do you prohibit consumption of alcoholic beverages in the film because it could adversely affect alcoholics. These are just benign examples and not taking into account the many truly horrible groups in the world that may have issue with people of different religions, creeds, or races existing in the same film or being in it at all.

    And this is not to say that your reaction to be momentarily taken out of the film would be wrong in any way, but just that it is a individual subjective reaction based on your own perceptions, and that the film makers should not be concerned with that over the actors they want or the stories they want to tell unless they feel it would adversely affect the majority of the audience.

    In the end, I think it would be a momentary issue for people who might be slightly confused by it as they would quickly accustom themselves to the character on repeat viewings. And those who are truly put off by it because they have an issue with Kenobi having a child of mixed race...well I don't really care if they watch SW or not.
     
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    I don't necessarily disagree, though I hdnt thought about the people that would be put off because it's "mixing the races."

    Sheesh....that would be ridiculous these days....but you and I both know that would definitely cross (some) people's minds...unfortunately.

    EDIT: though I'll admit I would be put off by it and anything else that is done specifically to "send a message" about something "just because." An example would be a scene where Boyega is force choked and states "I can't breath" just to make a reference to the Eric Garner case. You know? Does that make sense?
     
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    I'm trying to figure out how Kenobi having a child makes sense, he witnessed first hand what that type of relationship can lead to, why would he do that to himself?

    Him having a distant relative is fine, but him fathering a child is just bad storytelling and is damaging to his reputation.
     
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    Agreed.

    Then again I wasn't very pleased that Kenobi is arbitrarily from the made up planet of Stewjon just because Lucas said it to Jon Stewart (obviously as a joke to play off his name).
     
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    I'm against anything that isn't true to the story. If they can make social commentary in a way that is fitting of the story an the universe, I'm all for it. If it detracts from the story or breaks the fourth wall it has no place in the movie.
     
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    I live in South Africa. Maybe it was like that 20 years ago... but it's no longer.

    Good memory though.

    And if you want an update on South Africa through films, go watch Avengers 2 Age of Ultron, as most of it was filmed here. :p
     
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    Really? I had planned on seeing it obviously but that's very cool.

    I think the last film about South Africa that I saw was District 9. I think it's disgusting how you people treat those aliens. ;)
     
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    Yip, really. My friend worked with the sub-contracted film crew. The whole of the Hulk vs Iron Burster, the city in choas, the establishing shot of the summer sky, the protests, the police, it's all here.

    As for District 9, the South African director/writer was inspired by our giant industructable crickets called Parkton Prawns. ;) Which oddly enough, only appeared after the nuclear power stations were built around the seventies.

    [​IMG]

    Maybe the Star Warscrew should travel to South Africa to get inspiration on creatures for the next films???
     
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    Let's spalsh some cold water on the theory that Obi-Wan Kenobi fathered Maisie Richardson-Sellers' character:

    Alec Guinness was born in 1914, and Maisie Richardson-Sellers was born in 1994(?), which is an 80-year age difference. Although the force was strong with him, it's more likely that Obi-Wan Kenobi is Maisie Richardson-Sellers' character's great-great-grandfather.
     
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    Not sure if serious or not...
     
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