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Obi Wan's way of swaying Luke

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by Bluemilk, Jan 22, 2017.

  1. Bluemilk

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    Obi Wan had a way of using Luke's own aspirations to persuade him into going on the path.

    I think Obi Wan abided his time until Luke was in danger so he could save him.

    What I'm getting at is one thing in particular. When Obi Wan tells Luke about how his father was a great pilot. But was he a great pilot? The podrace aside, I believe old Ben knew this was one thing Luke would go for because he wanted to be one himself.

    This hooked him. I know when they went back to his Uncles farm it was destroyed and then had no choice, but Obi Wan's " certain point of views" was his best way to get Luke away on the adventure.
     
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    Follow the path does he go to Alderaan alone?
     
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    Not what I'm saying.
     
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    But Luke didn't want to be an awesome pilot, what Luke wanted most was to join the academy and leave Tatooine. Ben was also tasked with caring for Luke since childhood so I'm pretty sure this wasn't the first time he saw Luke in danger either.
     
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    I didn't say he wanted to be an awesome pilot.
     
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    He had to get him to join him in some way and what better way than to tell certain truths and make it sounds exciting as well. People often ask why did he not tell Luke from the beginning about Vader's real identity and even think his reason for not telling it complete nonsense. Of course there are those who argue back but I ultimately think it's far more important to make the story flow in an interesting way, that requires not giving away all details in the first few minutes and sadly many movies make that mistake. Save some crucial points for much later on for a better effect and impact on the audience. Keep an audience wondering with half truths and stories being told from one character's prespective rather than just how the actual story is.

    I mean let's face it if Obi Wan did not use Luke's his aspiration or told him the whole truth it would be a pretty boring movie wouldn't it?.
     
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    It was in his blood
     
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    Watching their encounter in the Jundland wastes, it's abundantly clear, IMHO, that they know each other and perhaps much better than Uncle Owen ever knew. Luke is obviously concerned that Artoo might belong to Ben Kenobi and actually suggests to have Artoo returned to Kenobi.

    The part where I think it gets interesting is how good did Luke's friend Biggs know Ben Kenobi or not? I wouldn't rule out the possibility that Kenobi knew Biggs and perhaps was a considerable influence, ultimately motivating Biggs to join the Alliance (after his time at the Imperial Academy).

    After all, Biggs is the first (in the deleted ANH scenes) who tries to motivate Luke to leave Lars Homestead and join the Alliance. And since the Alliance needed good pilots, Kenobi's remark about Luke being a good pilot same as his father was probably part of the swaying process, i.e. Kenobi could have seen to it that Luke would become an Alliance pilot and/or a Jedi.
     
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    Something I consider important in the context of "Obi-Wan swaying Luke" is that Obi-Wan quietly watched over Luke and perhaps even protected him in a very fatherly and classic Jedi fashion.

    From that personal perception, I myself would tend to doubt, by the time Obi-Wan officially reveals himself after Luke's dangerous encounter with the Tusken Raiders, that Obi-Wan simply had a mission in mind when speaking with Luke and simply wanted to be there to rescue him.

    Unless Obi-Wan is revealed to have bribed the Raiders to frighten/take down Luke so Obi-Wan could come in and pose as a hero, we are left to believe he sensed Luke was in danger and appeared just in time to ensure Luke's safety.

    To broaden the scope here: after years of caring and contemplation, Obi-Wan would have realized and come to terms his own diminished destiny as mentor, Force wielder, and torch-passer, and he would have become ever more aware of Luke's greater eventual destiny beyond Tatooine.

    On a side not, Anakin was a good pilot, the only human who could compete and survive in pod racing, but I felt that revelation to Luke went more to the goodness Obi-Wan recognized and affectionately remembered in pre-Vader Anakin.

    When Obi-Wan's partially reveals Vader "betrayed" Luke's father, I believe this could also be regarded as a caring gesture -- Obi-Wan not wishing to overwhelm and prematurely provoke fear in Luke before his journey had a chance to commence. "Not ready for the burden, were you," as Yoda also would explain in ROTJ.

    So, with that in mind, I choose to believe Obi-Wan was not merely trying to personally capitalize on Luke's aspirations (which I believe would be natural, even for Rey) but rather helping Luke take his first vital steps into a much larger world.

    After the fact, of course, in ROTJ, Jedi Spirit Obi-Wan does certify the truth of Vader/Anakin, and reminds Luke "you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."

    Obi-Wan would certainly have a well-informed perspective on all of this, especially with regards to Anakin and any personal responsibility and guilt he (Obi-Wan) would have suffered in learning, after ROTS, Anakin did in fact go on to become one of the most feared Sith Lords of all time.

    From my own point of view, Obi-Wan had very few choices, and he not only meant well but arguably went on to be the most representational, if not the greatest Jedi of the old Order as a result of his protracted guardianship, adherence to key Jedi values, and overall careful choices, up to and including the point he sacrificed himself completely so Luke, Han, Leia, et al could make their escape from the Death Star.

    All throughout this I see Obi-Wan exhibiting a most essential selflessness that enables the Rebellion to have a chance against the tyrannical Empire while also serving as an example and, through his teachings and ultimate sacrifice, empowering Luke to eventually embrace his true destiny and allow the Force become his guiding light.
     
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    Maybe.

    I always got a "Boo Radley" vibe, in that I think Ben had a reputation in the area as a sort of recluse, maybe even with crazy rumors circulating about him and his house. A regular hermit probably wouldn't know kids individually (unless there's some creepy stuff going on), but obviously Ben was there to watch Luke specifically. So, in a way, they at least know of each other, but I don't get the impression they've met or spoken.
     
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    THREEPIO I beg your pardon, sir, but do you
    know what he's talking about?

    LUKE Well, I don't know anyone named Obi-
    Wan, but old Ben lives out beyond
    the dune sea. He's kind of a strange
    old hermit.

    LUKE I thought he might have meant old
    Ben. Do you know what he's talking
    about? Well, I wonder if he's related
    to Ben.

    LUKE Old Ben Kenobi lives out in this
    direction somewhere, but I don't see
    how that R2 unit could have come
    this far.
    (deleted landspeeder scene)

    LUKE Ben? Ben Kenobi! Boy, am I glad to
    see you!

    BEN The Jundland wastes are not to be
    traveled lightly. Tell me young Luke,
    what brings you out this far?

    Luke refers to Obi-Wan as "old Ben" and upon seeing each other each recognizes the other instantly, suggesting they have met before.
     
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    Ben had already saved Luke a few times before A New Hope (which would be the reason that Luke already knows who he is in Episode IV). Its all shown in the new comics explaining Obi Wan's time in exile watching over a young Luke. He has also gone out of his way to save Owen Lars as well.
     
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