SPECULATION Obiwan is Rey's Grandfather?

I know everyone is entitled to their opinions, but the continued knock on TFA and JJ for being "unoriginal" just baffles me.

I wonder what amazingly original ideas people have for; planets, looming threats, essentially the backdrop; because ideas are seldom offered.

"TFA is unoriginal. Starkiller sucks!"
"What would you have done...?"
...crickets.

I knew exactly how important Starkiller was after my first viewing. Not very; it got blowed up ;-). It served its purpose and they've moved on.

If you weren't engaged with what was happening with the characters, and that's why you're disappointed with TFA, fine. But we're talking about all of the ancillary blast. I completely bought into the new leads and their adventure, so the DS 3.0 and any other recycled SW minutia didn't spoil it for me.

How about RO? No complaints about the Death Star making an appearance?! "Lame!! Unoriginal!" But because it's part of the premise of the film, it gets a pass. Even though they're using the same tired ass idea as a backdrop. So what gives?

This is what SW is; Death Star's and lightsaber duals, Stormtroopers and Star Destroyers; basically every film has them. What separates fun, enjoyable SW from bland, boring SW are engaging characters and their stories. I know, my argument isn't very original. But really though, what do people expect? What hasn't already been done? Maybe the most important question... do any of the ships or battle stations really matter? Sell me a fun ride, a little intrigue, and some characters I can get behind, and I'm good.

And that's my opinion, so you better like it.

 

Well for the Starkiller Base they "innovated" a little bit: it's not a 100% artificial space station like the 2 Death Stars, it's now a snowy planet transformed into a weapon, and with Starkiller Base we have a lighstaber fight in a snowy forest, a location wich was never see in the saga.

And the fact that Starkiller "eat" suns is one of the most symbolic thing of the movie:

"Rebirth of the “Son”: the art of Kylo Ren’s redemption



2.3: THE SUN AND THE SON

Although the new superweapon received a great deal of criticism from fans for being “just another lame Death Star”, Starkiller Base happens to be one of the most effective and blatant symbols in the entire movie. From absorbing a “sun’s” light as power to transforming into a “reborn sun” at the film’s conclusion, the metaphor created is both telling and very artistic.

“It uses the power of the sun. As the weapon is charged, the sun is drained until it disappears.”

— Finn about Starkiller Base

“Snoke is using you for your power.”

— Han about Ben Solo

The comparison here is just begging to be made. Starkiller Base manipulates the “light” of a sun as a weapon. In English, the words “sun” and “son” happen to be the same. This is a pun that has been used throughout English literature and even biblical texts to describe the “prodigal son”. Ren is of course the “son” (to Han and Leia), the fallen legacy who wants nothing more than to subdue the light within himself.

“I am too much I’ the sun.”

— Hamlet

The “sun” and the “son” is a powerful symbol that cannot be used lightly, but it only becomes more obvious as the film progresses:

And just then, the LAST BEAM OF SUNLIGHT streaming through the open hatch VANISHES.

Han actually smiles – and reaches out for the dark weapon – but with the light now gone, KYLO REN’S EYES FILL WITH DARKNESS.

At this moment, Kylo Ren murdered his father. Starkiller Base sucked the life from a sun, casting a shadow across the planetary weapon, and across Kylo Ren. The sun’s death heralded Ren’s darkest act. As hope was lost, so too were Ben and Han Solo. The sun, the son and father fell together.

Kylo Ren is somehow WEAKENED by this wicked act. Himself horrified. His SHOCK is broken only when –

We must also take into account Ren’s reaction to killing his father. If this sounds like someone who has gone Full Dark to you… I think you missed the point of the movie.

Something amazing happens at the end of the film:

The X-wings ROAR OFF, skyward as the MUSIC SOARS, the PLANET IMPLODES – THE SUNLIGHT IT CONTAINS BURSTS FORTH, and as we get further and further distance from what was Starkiller Base, we witness the REBIRTH OF A SUN. Light restored to a corner of the galaxy.

This is about as descriptive as any script is going to get. We witnessed the “rebirth of a sun”. Rebirth of a sun… or rebirth of a “son”?

Poe and the rest of the pilots destroyed the oscillator that was containing the sun’s trapped energy and light. This happened in unison with Rey defeating Kylo in the snowy wood. In a story that surrounds the concept of Light and Dark as two sides of a coin and that involved a sun dying to symbolize the loss of hope as a character violently murdered his own father, having that same sun be “reborn” in a flurry of light is very telling. Kylo Ren was filled with darkness as the sun fell, but after being defeated by Rey (interesting how Rey’s name is also a pun on a sun “ray”) he was “reborn” along with the new sun, his father’s eternal resting place.

And if all that symbolism doesn’t drive it home for you, take a look at this Easter Egg from The Force Awakens soundtrack. Two themes are connected by a horn solo, the moment we hear Kylo Ren’s theme for the very first time in “Attack on Jakku Village” and the exact moment the sun is reborn in “Farewell and the Trip”. The same solo can be heard in both songs, referencing the theme of the reborn sun (or in this case, the reborn “son”).

Go to 4:18

The first version is more ominous, as it is combined with Kylo’s dissonant theme.

Go to 0:46

The second is hopeful and triumphant, and even melds with the Force Theme. The solos are exactly the same, however. This hard-evidence proves to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that the writers intended to have Starkiller Base’s rebirth as a “sun” represent Kylo’s own metaphorical rebirth."

 

I think you're misunderstanding what I was saying.

 

No, I understood. I was actually attempting to take your critique a bit further. But I meant no ill will; not towards you at least.

I just think it's funny how certain members of the fandom can get so completely hung up on things like Starkiller being a Death Star clone, when in the grand scheme of things, Starkiller really isn't that important beyond the story function it serves. It's doomsday window dressing. Designed to be the ultimate threat, but ultimately a party favor.

Bitching about Starkiller or any other fairly standard SW trope being in a Star Wars movie just seems like a nitpick to me.

Again, I'm not attacking you. Your comment just got the wheels turning.

 

Rey Random = I don't care about her parents.

 

It would be too ranom and too forced .

 

After TFA, Rey being related to any character would feel forced (Solo,Skywalaker etc). My heart is still set on Rey Kenobi, because Obi Wan has always been my favourite character. But my mind is leaning heavily towards Rey random. Rey Random in my mind does not mean that her parents are unimportant figures, it just means her parents are not any of the main characters from any of the Star wars films (all 8 of them).

 

I hope that she is simply Rey Skywalker since it would make much more sense since that is what the saga movies are about anyways, and it would make things a bit smoother and adam driver DID say to expect the unexpected, so if we expect her to be a nobody/obi-wan's granddaughter, chances are that she is something different .

 

The implication in the trailers and marketing leading up to the release of The Force Awakens (and references in the film) seemed to imply that Rey is a Skywalker, most likely the daughter of Luke. I am still holding out hope that this is the way the story will go, and not that the marketing and clues were intentionally misleading.

 

Yeah, I get it, but George "rhyming" his movies and someone else doing it are two different things, for me. JJ, or anyone for that matter, "rhyming" comes of as unoriginal. TPM doesn't seem unoriginal to me, there's plenty of new things in there. An underwater city, the guguns, maul, couresaunt, the senate, that held my attention. A few points for clarification:

1. If you were to turn in a paper at university that was a rewrite of your first draft, would it be plagiarism? No

2. If you rewrote someone else's , would it be? Yes

3. If I were in JJ's shoes and turned that version of TFA would I expect to get blast for it? Yes

4. Would I have hit all the "rhyming" points they asked me to hit? Yes

5. Would I consider myself breaking new ground and making an original story? No

6. Would I cash the checks? Yes

Again, just my opinion

 

Self-plagarism is as much of an academic fraud as plagarism is, if you really want to go into that direction.

 

Like most speculation it is a matter of how the story is told that will make it work or not. Rey Kenobi could work if the story is told right it might fall apart if told poorly. It is only hype and speculation that is bringing a theory that was always 1 among many possibilities back to the latest round of speculation.

Rhyming isn't in any sense stealing or plagiarizing from your self or from anyone else it is the repetition of imagery, theme, motif, or any other device that creates cohesion within a story or across multiple stories.

GL used and described his use of and how rhyming worked. He established it as part of the methodology of the saga films.

You can make a case that JJ followed to close ANH but that only means his use of the devices were not as subtle as GL.

 

Thanks for stating your opinion as fact and telling me I'm wrong...how refreshing and original...

 

You are welcome to dismiss what I said but it isn't just an opinion. If the author of a poem repeats a line for artist emphasis that is common. If an author develops a unique style or even is the driving force of a genre and then new writers come in to follow up and they are expected to continue a poem the original author started there would be poetic devices that the new author would have to use to continue the spirit of the original author. That is simply part of the job the new writer picked up. If JJ didn't attempt rhyme with the previous 6 films he would have failed in continuing one of the sagas story telling elements.

He took a job picking up in the 7th chapter in a saga that involved elements of tone poem and visual rhyme. His job was to include such elements not ignore them.

Now it could be said that he over did it. I think on some level despite loving TFA JJ probably did take it too far.

 

I appreciate your last comment, other than that, I believe I've stated my perspective quite clearly, and we obviously see it differently.

Agree to disagree?

Peace and love

 

Rey is second child of Leia an Han Solo and Op dont even know about that theory.

Anyway,I voted "parents Unknown" closest .....

 

If executed well (and with the rumored OB1 movie in mind) I would love Rey to be granddaughter of OB1. But I think she will be Rey Doe.

 

I know this is kinda off-topic, but for some reason, people still think Sabine Wren from Rebels is Obi-Wan's daughter and Rey's mother...

• https://www.inverse.com/article/35671-star-wars-obi-wan-movie-standalone-rey-kenobi-family-parents
• https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/rey-star-wars-parents-last-jedi-theory-obi-wan-kenobi

 

Obi voice: "Reeeeeeey!"
Rey: "Who dat?"
Obi voice: "Meeeeeee."
Rey: "No, what's your name?"
Obi: "You may call me 'grandpapa' ".
Rey: "Wizard!" *grins*
Obi: "No, not a wizard. A Jedi."