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Official Captain Phasma TLJ Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by NinjaRen, Sep 21, 2016.

  1. NinjaRen

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    Hello fellow Cantina members!

    @RockyRoadHux and I noticed there isn't any thread which features Captain Phasma and her role in EPVIII. It's time to change that, thus I created this thread to speculate and discuss about Phasma.

    I know Phasma isn't that popular, especially because of the lack of screen time and actual action in TFA. But Kathleen Kennedy has already ensured that Phasma is going to have a bigger and more important role in EPVIII.


    What do you guys think her role will be in the next installment of the SW saga?

    My personal wishes are the following things:

    - Phasma tries to hunt down Finn and Poe
    - She gets a similar action scene like TR-8R
    - Show her face, which has cybernetic parts



    Even though Captain Phasma wasn't the greatest Character in TFA, she looked awesome. Hopefully we will witness her full potential in EPVIII (and IX).

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    Please Lucasfilm, don't waste this female villain again in EPVIII.
     
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    My thoughts are that she has been turned into a joke and it will take a lot for her to be taken seriously as a threat again.
    If you're gonna cast Gwendoline Christie then at the very least put her talents to good use. She should've fought Chewie or at some stage been seen to do something spectacular in battle. I think even *cough* Grievous has more credibility than her as a villain at this point. *cough*.
     
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    You're right about that. Such a waste to cast Gwendoline Christie just for 2 minutes of (useless) screentime.
    I really think it would have been better for CP to get the part of TR-8R. But maybe LF just wanted to introduce her and use her later in the ST. Unfortunately they failed really hard.
    At least she didn't die like a total punk, *cough* Grievous...
     
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    Indeed.
    It was a strange one really - just felt like a shell of a character that they didn't really have a place for in the script. Clearly, they thought the name and suit was cool and wanted it in regardless of the role! What was jarring was how much publicity she was getting which resulted in a greater adverse reaction to her character in the film. When she literally did nothing other than getting rugby tackled by Chewie and then lamely giving in to Finn and Han, it was a real surprise. And not a good one.

    It would've been easy to write in something better, such as having Finn etc getting some lower level officer to lower the shield but then Phasma interrupts them, takes down Han and Finn and goes one on one with Chewie. Then Chewie could overpower her and knocks her out. We'd then have seen what she was capable of and not made a mockery of her.
     
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    Wasn't her design originally planned as Kylo Ren's outfit? So maybe her character was never considered to be a part of the movie but JJ liked the look so much that he created a new role. Like you said they probably though the name and suit would be entirely sufficient.
    They have learned their lessons and they will try to establish useful characters. At least I hope they will do that... :D
     
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    Yesh this was an early Kylo concept. But in all fairness, this isn't the first cool looking character. There was another one that was just running around talking, doing nothing and die a funny death.
    Why is Phasma now the big deal, she actually has more purpose?
     
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    That explains it!

    But at least Boba was a decent threat in TESB. People took to him for a reason. His death scene was a shame though.
    As for Phasma, she's a big deal because she was built up to be an interesting character, played by an interesting actress and it came to nothing.
    A missed opportunity.
     
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    Not really she can still have her moments, it is just the first film and you cant make all characters important, you need different tiers.
     
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    But they turned her into a joke in TFA. That's the point.
    Had Boba Fett been in (the original) ANH and suffered the same comic fate as Phasma then do you think his character would've been admired as much as it was in TESB?

    They had the same issue with Poe imo. He wasn't a well written character but one that was shoe horned into the rest of the film because Oscar Isaac is a good actor. But really, from a story point of view, it would've been better for Finn to have absorbed Poe's role.

    But back to Phasma, there were missed opportunities in TFA. If you have the time for her to strut about and get whacked by Chewie, then you have the time to create something more compelling for her to set her up for the next movie.
     
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    Yes, you can't make everyone important in one movie but if a character got nothing to do, then you shouldn't use the character at all. At least don't use her as advertisement of the movie...
    I'm convinced Phasma will have her moments in EPVIII though. Hopefully, that moment will play out so great that you forgive the missed opportunity in TFA.
     
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    I agree 100%
    I really thought she was going to be badass in TFA but it was a complete let down...

    Two other characters I was looking forward too were Constable Zuvio (who was completely absent, hence the term "Zuvio-ed") and Sarco Plank (who got his 1 second of fame in TFA)....
     
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    Stormtrooper were always the dumb idiots, the new films actually made them hit something and slaughter innoccent inahbitants. Phasma was also the first character who gave us more then just a shiny armor and actually gave the military part of the First order a Voice. I get it that some people think they used her to heavyly in the amrketing, but the sad thing is Star Wars always made profit of more or less unimportant backround characters, Bail Organa or Cantina aliens, that had no line ect., Generals and Admirals that died or never reapeared . Now they did it in advance of a release, ok. The good news is, she didn't die a goofy death, and we can learn more about the internal affairs of the first order.
    Actually people really liked the character and the chemistry between him and Finn, no need to take that away by merging it into one. Same as Phasma he is the soldier character that is allowed to speak, and not just cannon fodder.
     
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    while i can understand the disappointment, this is the perspective i take, 100%.
    ironically my brother loved Boba Fett when we were kids and he loves Phasma just as much.

    i ain't going to badmouth the character. she has lots of room to grow and i don't think they'll waste her ~ she just suffered shoehorning in the first movie because she really was never meant to be there. now she's an intentional character (and much loved by the fandom, even in its disappointment).

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    I think she will get her revenge. Finn, Han, and Chewie got the drop on her and she won't forget it. The story group is tuned in and aware how much of the fan base viewed her character as a missed opportunity and I think they will make up for it.
     
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    Yeah I think atm how the story developed in TFA she isn't that unimportant as some fans may see her. Actually besides Kylo, Leia and Luke, she is the only character that has a personal motivastion to go after some of the heroes.
     
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    One thing that I want to see addressed following the aftermath of The Force Awakens is her decision to practically give in to the Resistance to lower to the shields. Captain Phasma is indirectly responsible for the destruction of Starkiller Base. To have that ignored and never brought up again in the form of character development, or hell even a single line of acknowledgement, would be a waste.
     
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    Hux should be angry with her.

    Do you guys think Phasma got any special weapons? Something like a Vibroblade would be awesome. Or she beats the holy hell out of Finn with her bare hands...
     
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    In the original script, Chewie crushes her head until she agrees.
     
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    Maybe in the retrospect, in that moment, she didn't know about the incoming X-wings and even if, the attack was canceled they weren't able to break through the hull. So ultimatly the only chance to stop the destruction, was to stop Chewie Han and Finn, which is impossible since they lead her in an abush. So yeah she gave away the codes, because she thought the FO is strong enough, arrogance leads to the fall of the villains, that's pretty star warsy.
     
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    General Hux and Supreme Leader Snote might not see it like that. Though Snoke probably might not care about it as much as Hux would. Unless no one knew it was Phasma who lowered the shields but Finn, Chewie and Han - in which case, you'd expect her to have some sort of guilt trip about keeping the truth to herself.
     
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