Official Episode VIII - Kylo Ren Discussion Thread

Just leaving these awesome images here:




(I think this one will not make it into the movie.)

 

ooo nice crisp capture! thank you!
i wonder if it will too.

 

Why do you think it will not be in the movie?

Loved loved the teaser poster!

 

I don't know really. It looks different, like a promotional shot. But @RockyRoadHux changed my mind about it. It could very may be in the actually movie. Nonetheless, this shot is my favorite one.

 

Yep.

But also, I think it is Kylo that says "I only know one truth" (which is the voiceover in this glimpse of Kylo we got). I see people are saying that's part of Luke's ending line "It's time for the jedi to end", but I think that "I only know one truth" is actually said by Kylo.

 

No, it's not Kylo. It's Luke's voice over in the German version too.

 

More of Kylo's new look for The Last Jedi revealed via Battlefront II - Star Wars: The Last Jedi Heroes.




I really really like the look.


This is a clearer view of how his look (and his scar) will be which was sort of revealed at yesterday's SWCO panel, but it was a bit blurry...

Spoiler: SWCO The Last Jedi panel photo of Kylo Ren

 

Full image here:

 

The mighty Ren and his new Vader cape!

 

And another image with the letters not on his glorious hair. It's a cape alright, but it is definetely not Vader's cape. It's Kylo's.

I'm not at all surprised at the dark prince Kylo Ren look at all and I really love it.



Now I'm very much looking forward to the promised The Last Jedi Heroes preorder bonus for Battlefront 2 - TLJ costumes for Rey, Kylo, the Falcon, and a currently unannounced First Order ship. Would it be possible that the FO ship is Kylo's ship?

Does anyone know when the preorder bonus is going to be available?

 

Did they mess up the position of Kylo's scar?

 

Also it seems pretty small.

 

It's now more where Anakin's scar was in RotS. I'm very relieved to see that's all there is to it, I had seen versions of it where it was pretty horrific!

Like the new look a lot, and with the smashed mask seen in the trailer, makes me think his struggle with the light is not yet over. Even his clothing is lighter, and we all know how much deliberation goes into their wardrobes, it's certainly not a random look just to make him more handsome. Although I do appreciate that effect.

Also, nice catch with figuring out he skewered a Knight of Ren. Maybe protecting Rey, or killing someone who let her get away? At any rate, I think he knows who she is.

 

Yeah, the position/alignment seems different, but I am NOT going to complain.
More important is that all the fanart predictions of a gnarly disfiguring scar turned out incorrect, which to me is very telling that they do not want him to look the "monster" part as some thought he might.

Here are some thoughts I have about what (even if very little) we saw in the TLJ trailer regarding Kylo/Ben which I think may very well be a strong foreshadowing about where Kylo/Ben is in VIII.

First about the shattered helmet in the trailer.



That shattered Kylo helmet in the trailer is (to me at least) is potentially a huge metaphorical foreshadowing that the Kylo Ren persona may crumble even further (or even completely) and that Ben Solo may emerge even more than we already saw in TFA.
I have seen a few people saying that he doesn't need the helmet because now that he has this ugly scar, he doesn't need the helmet, but now we know that the scar is not deforming at all to me is clear indication that is not the case.
Remember the dialogue were Han says "Take off that helmet you do not need it" and that what he wants to see the face of his son.
The helmet represents the personally of Kylo Ren ("a creature in a mask"), a persona that Han believed (rightly) is not who his son is.
Another thing that is so great about that shot of the shattered mask is how much it resembles (I imagine, quite deliberately) the shape of Vader's melted helmet.

In the trailer we had Vader's breathing intermingled with Kylo's theme and Obi-Wan saying "seduced by the dark side" (which people say is part of the dialogue where Obi-Wan tells Luke about Vader killing Anakin) and I think is a very meaningful callback.
Now that is very intriguing to me on so many levels since it also connects to the fact that Vader and Anakin are seen as almost two different identities and that the return of Anakin in ROTJ is also symbolically represented by the removal of his mask.

Similarly from TFA we know that the mask in Kylo's case also (similarly as Vader and Anakin were differentiated) represents the different persona of Kylo Ren differentiating him from his real self as Ben Solo. And in both cases of his unmasking in TFA we saw him as Ben - a tortured, sad and tragic young man, who we are yet to find out how (and I'm sure we will) was "seduced to the dark side".



Another snipped that we had of Kylo (and his scar) in the trailer also has a lot of foreshadowing information I think. Adam Driver (and JJ) have said that the lightsaber is also representative of the character and where he is at. Thus the fact that his lightsaber is still as unstable as it was in TFA is very interesting.
But the thing which intrigues me is the piece of dialogue that corresponds to showing him which is "I only know one truth" which I'm still convinced is said by Kylo.
This I will speculate may be a snippet of a key conversation that we will see happen in VIII where Kylo's (misguided) reason to be on the side of the FO and the dark side will be tested and questioned.
I think this dialogue snippet could actually also be a call back to the very first time we saw and heard Kylo Ren in the TFA, the conversation he had with Lor San Tekka where San Tekka teased Kylo about the fact that he "cannot deny the truth that is his family". I'm convinced that currently Kylo has a very distorted "truth" about his family that I think will be revealed and challenged in VIII.
The dialogue snippet in the trailer "I only know one truth" (and here I'm heavily speculating) may be part of a conversation where we learn what that "truth" is and essentially find out the reason why he thinks what he is doing is justified.

In short,
#SaveBenSolo

 

I wish Kylo would say this sentence. It would make that snippet even more awesome. Great Post btw!

 

they've taken the curl out his hair which is interesting. and the promo shot from TLJ looks a bit more natural as well.
he's clearly not using as much Force energy on it ~ ha!
but seriously: they might have eased up on the product.

it seems off, but as others said, i'm fine with that. hahaha
technically he should have a wider trench on his chin (even if it's not keloid).
but...we don't really know how bacta works anyway.

 

It doesn't bother me as well. Maybe there is a story behind it. If not, well, I don't think it will affect the story. Kylo is looking great nonetheless.

 

he does! i'm glad they didn't muck up his face too much. : D

 

Sort of gutted that this thread is a spoiler thread - seeing as I'm trying to avoid those for TLJ - but I wanted to chime in quickly on my thoughts on Kylo Ren in TFA and TLJ.

Snoke views Kylo as a perfect balance of light and dark, yet he attempts to seduce Rey to the dark side in the novelisation of TFA, so I think he certainly has some doubts as to the capabilities of his student - or, perhaps, he's found an even better and more intriguing balance with Rey.

Yet, Kylo Ren does many things typical of Vader in the OT: he's theatrical, murderous and short-tempered. He kills Han. He kills Lor San Tekka. He watches over the massacre of an entire village, and supposedly turned against and slaughtered Luke's academy.

All actions, I believe, that are only pushing him further and further down the path to the Dark Side, with clearly no attempt at balance. Whatever it is Snoke sees in Kylo as a potential balance of the Force in TFA, I think will ultimately be gone by the end of TLJ (or perhaps as late as IX) as he becomes more and more obsessed with power and exacting revenge upon Rey.

Just my two cents.

 

to consider: Snoke knows something about the Force that we don't know.
that Light and Dark are not synonymous with good and evil?
yes, he pushes Ren to quash his compassion, but it's Ren who associates this with the Light.
what if Ren is wrong (he is about so many other things)?

i'm just spitballing here. because Snoke's love-hate affair with Ren's mix would seem to be a curious contradiction.
or perhaps he is, as others have suggested feeding on the death of Ren's Light (so the more the better!).

and we have no idea what Snoke actually thinks of the Dark side as we know it.
or if that's a concept Ren extrapolated from the Sith/Vader completely independent of Snoke.
perhaps there are too many variables we just don't have any concrete evidence for at this point.