Official Episode VIII - Kylo Ren Discussion Thread

Never looked at it this way. I like it!

 

I think this is what happened too. I think it will be part of what sets Kylo in motion to murder Snoke... because he will realize he hasn't been made all powerful, he hasn't been hearing from his grandfather, he has killed his father for nothing, all because Snoke lied to him. I mean you saw how angry he was when he merely lost Rey on the SKB, what do you think he might be inclined to do to Snoke when he realizes he's been duped?

I think that's when the mask gets smashed. When Kylo sees the degree of the deception he will declare war on Snoke. We may end up with a villain we actually root for. I don't know if we ever get Ben back, but we may get someone who becomes the "enemy of my enemy"

 

I really like that. Thumbs up ..

 

Grieve could provide an appropriate trigger to cool down his temper.
And he will have some time to think about what he has done, especially if he starts to realize Snoke's real intentions. But he will not reach this point without additional suffering in EPVIII and IX (like an injured mother, another confrontation with Rey and Luke, tantrums with consequences for himself etc.). And it's not hard to imagine that he won't have real loyalists on his journey.

 

His reaction could be very interesting. The realisation of Snoke's manipulation could easily unleash Kylo's real power. Maybe that's Snoke's plan after all. He wants to trigger Kylo's rage to pull him even further to the dark side .

 

I think that's where Luke and Rey comes in. I think one or both, probably Luke will expose this even further. Anger for sure makes more powerful. The more angry Anakin got the more powerful he became, but he not only inflicted pain on others but himself as well.

 

killing his father directly and indirectly had catastrophic consequences for the FO and probably for him on a psychic level.
the real question is, can he make that correlation in time to save himself.
Anakin gained power in his rage; here it just seemed to exacerbate Ren's pain (which is what he doesn't want).
i still think the turning point for Ren will be realizing that Snoke is hurting him (and causing him to hurt himself and others).
the power was ostensibly to stop the hurt.
that didn't happen.

 

Why did Ren kill his father? What if Ren knew about how uncle Luke had an opportunity to finish Vader and didn't. Maybe Ren purposefully wanted to end any chance of redemption to the light. Of course whether the act of killing his father served it's purpose or not we've yet to find out.

I think what ever light Ren had left to salvage could have completely disappeared the moment he took his fathers life. Once Snoke completes his training there might be no more Ben Solo to save. Once more, the Sith will rule the galaxy. Only kidding.

What do people think about the possibility of Ren not being able to be redeemed from the dark? Perhaps his "turning point" would be to reach further into the darkness rather than stepping back into the light.



This gif of Ren in the TLJ trailer. Hmm what are his eyes telling us?

 

The Japanese flyer is trying to say something the big twist in this movie is ben never turned at least not against Luke. The reason why the kor were created was to take on Snoke in the end... but Kylo feels he has to be strong enough to do that and has to go to the darkside ... he is not there not sure he will ever get there....... This story is about a skywalker and he is it

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Ren from the beginning was trying to destroy Snoke ... He just think that he has to be dark to do it. he saw how the light side failed Luke and the kids at the temple.

 

this is the face of the man who killed his father.
he looks shocked, maybe even horrified a little.
he does not look empowered. we've been told he was not empowered.
he goes on to get his butt kicked by an untrained girl because he's wounded physically, but perhaps more importantly, he's wounded psychically.

i do not disagree that he's going to come back in TLJ angrier and more vicious to start with; he has to.
he hates his family to avoid feeling the pain of how he wants to love them, and he hates himself even more.
Snoke will be able to use that for at least a little while.
until he hates Snoke.

p.s. we're told straight up why he killed his father. to try to crush the Light.
he even all but says so on the bridge.

 

Actually it's very much implied that Kylo had even more light or conflict after he had killed his father:
Following through on the act ought to have made him stronger, a part of him believed. Instead, he found himself weakened.

It's an interesting thought. Sometimes I catch myself thinking that a dark ending could work for EPIX. => Kylo Ren as a twisted and evil leader of the FO. But it won't happen, Ben Solo will return in this trilogy.

 

That can't be true unless there is another boy that destroyed what Luke created.

 

while i have lost hope on this score, i think it's still vaguely possible that this is where the twist of the story lies: that Ben isn't the boy referred to.

that said, there's no long game here. Ben is totally duped by Snoke.

 

Something else:
Is anyone thinking that Kylo Ren isn't actually responsible for the burning "Jedi Temple"? Yes, he may have killed Luke's students, but maybe Luke set fire to the temple by himself.

 

Well obviously he was but maybe he didn't do anything physically himself , but just turned on Luke by betraying him while someone else did the dirty work. And by that time it was to late to undo the damage and he took the blame to look good in snoke's eyes. Not sure.

 

that's an interesting turn.

while we're spitballing: what if Snoke got to them all? and Ben was the only one who survived.
i guess this is an extension of the "what if Ben just left the gate open" speculation that's made the rounds.
he betrayed Luke, but the students killed each other (or themselves).

oops ~ we cross posted! hahahaha

i would totally love it if this was the case! it's what i've been hoping for from the start.

 

I think the events which led to the destruction of the Jedi temple could be the real twist of the ST.

 

i completely agree! : D