Official Episode VIII - Kylo Ren Discussion Thread

This makes for story here, I can definately see angles where he has reason to damage Kylo and this could easily involve others like KOR in the story. Think Kylo is too worried about what Rey is doing and his enemies size that opportunity. Kylo and her are then allies again in battle maybe?

 

i dunno ~ i should clarify that i do think Hux is probably afraid of Ren, but refuses to show it.
but i don't see him toadying. i see him still fighting for control.

i.e. "you think you got him?" "concentrate all fire power on those speeders!" "Don't let your personal interests..."

he just refuses to cede command.

i can definitely see his priorities being elsewhere (on Rey), one way or another.
and Hux won't hesitate to take advantage of that.

 

You know, I can't believe I just thought of this: why the hell is Hux (an army general) commanding a Star Destroyer in TLJ? No wonder those Admirals and Officers find him inept, because he shouldn't even be in command of such a vehicle in the first place.

I have a feeling Kylo Ren may retake control of the fleet in episode 9, causing even more tension between the two. Ren is far more qualified to take such a position after all, and it would be another parallel between him and his grandfather.

 

Ren isn't disciplined enough to command the fleet. Hux is. He was trained by his father to do such things, and he already proofed himself in the novels that he's capable of doing it. Now we just need to see it on the big screen.

 

i agree with @NinjaRen: in what possible way is Ren qualified to command anything?
Hux was raised to be a soldier/commander.

also: military hierarchy in space has never made any sense, has it?

why is a Grand Moff in charge of the Death Star?
why is Phasma a mere Captain if she's technically second in command?
why is General Calrissian leading the space assault?
for that matter, why is Leia a General but in charge of the whole of the Rebellion (even over Admiral Ackbar?) XD
​

 

Well, he is the Supreme Leader. But I meant more in the way Jedi commanded their fleets: as in Admirals controlled the ships but Jedi were Commanders and Generals able to override their commands and ignore their advice.

 

According to the VD Kylo works outside the hierachy of the FO and even back in TFA he was above Hux. But he still didnt have any say in the command. This changed of course. But Kylo commanding the troops or ships would be a disaster.

 

Tbf we don't know how extensive his knowledge of and expertise in ship of ship combat is. He is an experienced starfighter pilot after all.

 

true but, again: Hux has been in the FO since he was literally in knee pants. Ren just joined about six years ago.
it's not like Luke was training Ben in galaxy-dominating strategic warfare ~ he would have a lot of catching up to do.

 

He's got something no one in the First Order has, the Force. He can just force choke anyone to get what he wants. Plus, that mighty Skywalker blood.

 

none of which makes him actually fit to run an army or an empire (and some of which ought to disqualify him outright) ~ hahahahaha

 

Qualifications clearly don't matter....

 

Being a powerful leader doesn't mean he's a good leader.

 

Just need one answer. Are the FO soldiers, men, women, and children willing to die for him (Kylo Ren)?

 

No, but I don't think they would for Snoke. On the other hand the soldiers of the FO are brainwashed...

 

yep: they're doing it for the perceived "larger good", not for any one person.
that's the insidiousness of it all.

 

When adding a secondary character, a screenwriter has to ask - "what does this character add to the story?". Take a look at Killmonger's girlfriend from Black Panther. Do you remember her? If yes, what can you tell me about her? She was pretty, she seemed to support Killmonger's cause... and that's it. She appears in three scenes max, her screentime is circa 2 minutes, she dies in the middle of the film and no one mentions her after that. I fear that if they introduced a love interest for Kylo in IX she just will be discarded as quickly as she appeared. Also, I'm not sure if Kylo is interested in any other woman except for Rey.

 

That's actually the key for victory most of the time.

I mean, what happens if that leader have an accident.

"well, I guess she's dead.... Let's go home lads."
"But we have the enemy on the run. One more charge we will have victory."
"She's dead damn it."

 

And cue The Emperor and Vader for that matter.

 

Palpatine didn't become the Emperor because he was powerful... And Vader was just a henchman for Tarkin and Palpatine.