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Official Episode VIII - Kylo Ren Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Old Biff from the Future, Dec 27, 2015.

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Will Kylo Ren face off against Luke Skywalker on film?

Poll closed Sep 2, 2016.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. What is the point? He is weak.

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    So Snoke consider's himself the finest sculpter, eh? This sorta makes me wonder what Snoke's 'masterpiece' is....

    Could he be sculpting a new vessel for himself to inhabit?
     
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    that's also been posited in one or all of the Plagueis threads.
    i'm also curious at his use of the words "pure" and "unbreakable" given that Ren seems so fragile and corrupted.
    my instinct is to say that all of Snoke's words in this instance are just fluff: get the kid to stand up straight, pat him on the head.

    could have a double meaning though, if he thinks Ren as a vessel is actually worth stealing.
    there's certainly nothing wrong with him physically that would preclude that.
     
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    Ah Finn already got it :)

    Wookiepedia says ( stating the VD, SW Encyclopedia and TFA movie)
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    "Snoke [...] believing GeneralLeia Organa and Han Solo's son, Ben, the grandson of Darth Vader, had the right balance of the dark and light sides of the Force in him."

    "He displayed tendencies unusual forpractitioners of the dark side, displaying an interest in Kylo Ren due to his embodiment of a balance between both the light anddark sides of the Force, as opposed to only one aspect."


    "Ren was encouraged by Snoke to honor the heritage of both the light side and the dark side, and due to this demonstrated deep conflict within himself.[3] He constantly felt the pull of the light and his family, and struggled to keep himself disconnected from his former life, similar to his grandfather before him.[2] Snoke believed Ren to be an ideal embodiment of the Force: a focal point of both the dark and the light side.[4]"
     
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    I pop in and out of the Plags threads, but I'm a bit borred by all that at the moment.

    Surely Snokey would want a powerful, but weak minded vessel, as it would be easier for him to kick Ren's weak mind out? Reminds me of Bane and the essence transfer thing.

    Maybe his 'masterpiece' is something entirely different? Perhaps Ren is just a cog in his Force guzzling machine?

    I don't know what else Snoke could consider his masterpiec, I'd have to think on it. Snoke does seemed to be talented at doublespeak, and giving one impression, whilst meaning another.
     
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    I'm not sure how this will work,
    but what if the final battle took place within Kylo's mind?

    Like if Rey and Snoke managed to get their consciences in Kylo's head, and they fight there, with Kylo as a spectator and the ultimate judge of the outcome.
    It's very similar to Vader choosing between Luke and Palpatine in ROTJ. However, is it too similar?
    It would also provide opportunities for some spectacular imagery. I'm talking imagery similar to the ones in Rey's vision.

    Well that's a shame.

    I'd happily let Snoke in my home.
    We'd have a lot of fun laughing about how people thought he was Plagueis.
     
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    i don't know about the final battle, but i could definitely see some battle in this vein. we've never seen much psychological depth in Star Wars, but they've set up the potential for it with Kylo Ren's conflict.

    i'd love to see Ren turned in viii (or start to be turned, or just go completely rogue) so we can avoid a repeat of the Luke/Vader/Palps thing. i mean, Snoke's already got Ren, so it's not a question of turning him (and trying to turn Rey feels sorta yawny redundant to me too).
    but if it's Rey trying to help Ren flee from Snoke? that's maybe different and could be interesting.

    ugh! to me it would be like setting the table for an unrepentant serial child molester.

    hahaha! that's funny, i have to admit.
     
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    !! I've figured it out!! Snoke is Pablo Hidalgo! :eek::p
     
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    Nah I don't think he is that smart.
     
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    Snoke is really George Lucas .
     
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    .... I wrote a scene where Kylo reaches out to reconnect his force bond with Rey who is weakened by Snoke who is force draining the crap out of her. Then Kylo draws his own power that it latches onto and through Rey that enables her to fight Snoke with her mind, along with Kylo's direction...and yeah....his body explodes into atoms - more like light and dark matter that just sort of erupts and disappears ...


    *shrugs*
     
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    Any who back to Kylo Ren :D.
     
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    I don't know, I wouldn't mind if Kylo turned at the end of the trilogy as long as they do it in a way that doesn't immediately remind us of what happened between Luke/Vader/Palpatine.
    But if that isn't possible, and the makers still intend on turning Kylo, turning him in VIII will certainly be different.

    Now I have a few questions...

    When do you expect Kylo to turn in VIII? And how?(First Act, Second Act, Third Act).

    And who will replace Kylo as the "main villain" now that he's returned to the light? Snoke? Hux? Corrupted Rey? Perhaps one of the KOR will step up?

    Don't worry, when Snoke and I are done, I'll call Child Protective Services.
     
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    i dunno ~ in my fantasy version of viii, Ren and Rey have a rematch and Ren trounces her, but she is rescued by Finn and/or Luke, which results in him being captured late in the second act or early in the third act. Ren isn't likely to take kindly to Luke. and Rey will be no help because she's too angry perhaps. so Luke brings in the big gun: the movie ends with Leia showing up to confront her prodigal son. this sets up the possibility of actually turning him into a double-agent in ix, with him returning to the FO, Rey in tow as his "prisoner" to present as a pupil to Snoke.

    but i've seen other interesting possibilities floating around.
    • Ren goes rogue in the second or third act, either killing Snoke or taking off with the KOR and rampaging after Luke, which gets him away from Snoke so that he can begin to see the error of his ways.
    • Snoke destroys Ren right off the bat in the first act of viii because of his colossal failures in TFA, and so, feeling betrayed, Ben either comes crawling home or is even inadvertently rescued by the Resistance.
    i think Hux could step up even though he's not FS. he seems curiously popular, so why not?
    or maybe BDT will prove to be the new big bad?
    or maybe Plagueis--i mean Snoke--will find a body so he can get off that toilet and be a proper villain instead of torturing children to perpetuate his filth.

    please do ~ think of the children! hahaha
     
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    I'd rather see Kylo fight Finn and is shocked hay Finn wouldn't lie down an die .
     
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    that's part of my Rey is rescued by Finn scenario.
     
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