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SPECULATION OFFICIAL Finn Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by PrinceJ86, Sep 7, 2014.

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Do you think Finn will become a Jedi?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Force sensitive but not a jedi

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  1. Rayjefury

    Rayjefury Force Sensitive

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    Very early on in reports of what is shown in the Episode 8 teaser, and if those reports are true

    , we'll expect to see Rey training with Luke, and Finn doing First Order-y/Resistance-y stuff. Now this is only a teaser and it hasn't even be released, this is just second hand information that may not even be true, but if it is true and it's meant to give us some idea of what direction the main characters take, Rey's trajectory takes the anticipated arc as the new lead Jedi or Jedi like character, and as for talk about a future Jedi Finn, it doesn't appear to be going that direction. In fact

    http://www.starwars.com/news/13-great-non-jedi-star-wars-heroes

    In a world without a Jedi Academy or Padawans, or any of the other pre-Empire comforts, every Jedi needs someone to pick them up when they fall. Luke had Han, Ezra has Kanan, and Rey — Rey has FN-2187. Finn. While Finn doesn’t quite have a handle on how the Force works (and Han tells him as much in one of the best moments in The Force Awakens), he proves he doesn’t need to in order to save his friend from Starkiller Base. What Finn lacks in Force sensitivity — though he may want to take a class or two in lightsaber dueling, just to be safe — he makes up for in courage and dedication

    No of course, the big piece here isn't that Finn is listed as a non-Jedi. At this point he isn't... for that matter neither is Rey. But the bold italicized underlined phrase is what sticks out to me. Again, I am certain that they are cognizant of every word they write about the new characters and that there was an unresolved controversy about potential FS for Finn. Is this them trying to misdirect or trying to slowly ease into a resolution of the controversy that they know will be disappointing to many fans?
     
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    If he is then thats the big twist of ep8 if he isnt then we will get to see more of the super vulnerable finn carry the story for unstoppable rey. If done right could be excellent, but a much needed rematch of him and kylo would be off the table and so would any relevance in the only fight that matters.
     
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    There's a channel called Urban Acolyte on youtube that pointed out that they really are trying to introduce a new concept in Star Wars which is Force Usage outside of the Jedi/Sith paradigm. Unfortunately even among the non-Jedi/Sith Force Wielders, there are levels. There are folks like Bendu from Rebels, who is neither a Dark or Light side user, Snoke and Kylo (and presumably the Knights of Ren who are not Sith) and with the title the Last Jedi, it's arguable that Rey is being positioned to be a new kind of Jedi going forward (which is less dogmatic and rigid). But everyone I just named were all overt force users.

    Then you also have Force Sensitives that don't really do any of the hallmark Force abilities except sensing things. This is folks like Princess Leia and Maz. You get the sense they could do more, but you never see them do it.

    Finally you also have folks like Chirrut Imwe (from Rogue One), who doesn't really appear to be Force sensitive but whom we are made to presume somehow taps into the Force, due to his fighting ability. We even see glimpses of it from Han Solo, shooting Storm Troopers without actually knowing they're there. And I think what they were suggesting is that that is the kind of Force manipulator that Finn will be. No mind tricks, no Force Push or Pulls, probably no more wielding of the light saber, just occasional elevated combat skills that we are supposed to attribute to Force manipulation. So he'll likely be a marksman and will win some hand to hand/melee combat, not far outside of what they established in TFA for Finn. He was a natural gunner, a decent shot on the rifle.

    I have to say, if this is the way they plan to thread the needle (and to be fair this all speculation on my part), but if this is the way they plan to try to put the controversy to rest, it will be uber disappointing. I always envisioned Rey continuing on in the Jedi tradition (as the most central figure of the story), but Finn being FS and choosing something more along the lines of the Bendu. But with the title being "The Last Jedi" it seems like Rey would more likely occupy the space of non-traditional light sider (lending more credence that Finn will be an elevated soldier). I hope very much that I'm wrong... but I don't know how to get away from the phrase on the Star Wars official website or how to parse it to mean something other than "Finn isn't Force Sensitive".
     
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    well the way the phrase it they didn't say he wasn't FS just that what he lacks in FS he makes up else where. Could just mean he is more on the obiwan or han side of the equation vs the luke,rey and anakin side. Also maz did use the force.

    “There was a particular part of a scene that never made it, where they go underneath the castle and they’re going into the underground passageways, and Stormtroopers are coming down the stairs and Maz uses her powers to collapse the ceiling. From my point of view, [that] worked absolutely brilliantly because you had all the main actors running up and then Maz does her bit and then the whole ceiling collapses in front of them, but that never made it. That was a shot I was quite proud of, actually, it worked really, really well.” I Feel like they took that out and down played finn so rey would have a larger platform.
     
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    I feel like they gave so many context clues that it wouldn't make sense NOT to make him FS, but this new information, along with new concepts introduced in Rogue One, it doesn't feel like a slam dunk anymore.
     
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    my guess is they planned him to be but reys popularity made them go a different direction
     
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    Master troll mark at work lol
     
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    Luke's showing his appreciation for ''big deal'' being his wielding successor. (blue)
     
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    Finn is likely modelled after Peeta from the Hunger Games franchise in that he provides the soft emotional support for our hyper physically capable heroine. A cheerleader character in some respects.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the next time Finn sees Rey there will be a moment where he stands awe-struck by her new found abilities just to emphasis her abilities to the audience, fulfilling his everyman role.
     
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    I honestly don't see that trajectory, even with the context clues (and what I consider to be a more disappointing way forward) he would illustrate elevated combat ability and be on par wtih a Chirrut Imwe who exhibit skills without any visual confirmation that they're using the force. (And for the record I was kinda disappointed that Chirrut didn't exhibit overt force abilities... he didn't need to be a Jedi or even a wield a light saber but it would have been a better segue IMO to the idea of conflict of Force Users outside of the Jedi Sith paradigm). Peeta really was a cheerleader without any discernible skill, we already have confirmation that Boyega will be doing more combat.
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    LOL, not for nothing but even as a Finn fan, I can't say that he was particularly proficient. He managed not to impale himself and he did show some defensive skills, but his offense was in the first 2 or 3 seconds of the right after that it was all a concerted effort to survive the onslaught of Kylo Ren. I guess to be fair, after watching the whole fight sequence again, Rey didn't really get to go on offense for the first half of the fight either, and had a comparable number of moments where she was hapless against Kylo (as was to be expected). Also her offense wasn't really all that impressive (also to be expected).
     
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    The fight beats are the same as ep 5
     
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    Like someone said he's basically Peeta to Rey's super Katniss. But at least Peeta got together with her in the end, which isn't going to happen with Finn and Rey.

    'Courage and Dedication'. Yeah because the other leads are cowards. If they don't make him FS at least give him an arc where he frees the other Troopers or something, not just the Resistance guy running around with a blaster.

    I watched TFA again Sunday and one thing jumped out at me: Finn seemed to have been used as a meat-shield for Rey. He gets all loses which are usually suffered by the main character, and Rey zooms through the movie without a scratch.
    - On Jakku, when the fighter bombs the tent, Rey gets hit too but Finn gets knocked out.
    - In the Falcon, Rey releases the Rarthars but Finn gets caught.
    - On Takadona, Rey runs from the Troopers but Finn gets whipped by a Trooper.
    - In the end, Rey gets thrown into a tree. Finn gets whipped into a coma.

    So basically every time something happened, Finn looked worse than Rey. What surprised me was, if he's not the main character, why make him take such a beating in the first movie? Han never got kicked around so much.
     
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    Either he is more central to the main story than people want to accept or they intended him to be ,but switched focus after reys popularity.
     
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    I suggest watching TFA with JJ's commentary on. It changed my expectations of Finn in the sequel trilogy going forward.
     
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    How so?
     
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    I don't want to influence anyone's outcome by giving my opinion before listening to the commentary.

    But for anyone who watches TFA with the commentary and pays attention to what JJ says about each of the main characters throughout the movie, I'd like to have a discussion on it, if their opinion on Finn changes, or their expectations.


    Also re-reading the posts in this thread from like July to August 2015 (around pages 91-98), is absolutely hilarious.

    I mean, hindsight is 20/20. But reading everyone's opinions pre-release, and going by the marketing and rumors/spoilers makes me feel crestfallen.
     
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    Just finished it. Didn't really change my view on it. If anything it reinforced the idea he is more important than people realize.
     
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    Sorry. I should have specified in my post. I meant not in terms of importance but in terms of story direction.
     
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