Official Finn Episode VIII thread

My current theory

On his mission with Rose he will learn something about his own origins which will act as his turning point.
Maz will guide him back towards his destiny
Maz will teach Finn to connect with the Force (not necessarily a Jedi).
Luke will teach Rey
Rey will learn something about her origins which will act as her turning point.

Finn and Rey are deliberate mirror characters.

 

Or DJ will teach him about the force because it not clear yet who is DJ. Some leaks saying when Finn fights Phasma that DJ will throw him a weapon, some leaks showing Phasma with a spear and she will have a spear when she fights Finn, and DJ throws him a weapon. I thinking a melee weapon. So there can be a chance maybe DJ might be something like Maz who understand the force.

Or it can be Maz as you say. Also, I was thinking about the photos with Finn and Rose with first order uniforms on, that he might look into the history data of the First Order and find his origins this way.
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15 Reason why Finn will be a Jedi thread https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....he-last-jedi-at-the-end-of-the-trilogy.52484/​

 

Picture 1 : battle of Crait ? . Picture two: Everyone remembers that heart wrenching scene where Finn gets blood smeared on hishelmet from The Force Awakens.

 

Maybe some one dies and that his their hand print on side of his face in the Last Jedi.

 

I am at least glad to hear that when Finn wakes up (according to EW) his intent is to still leave the confrontation and look for Rey. Nice to have some continuity of character trajectory. I said this several times, if Finn wakes up and is straightaway convinced to go on a mission for the Resistance because they need him to, instead of choosing it for himself, all the cries of "if Finn is FS it will take away from his choice to not fire on the villagers in Jakku" would seem hollow. He would once again be plot driven, and set into motion for the sake of others, instead of character driven and deciding for himself.

 

There something bigger with him that many don't want to see. They are too much worrying about if Rey will become the New Jedi with Luke. Which takes the focus off what really happening with Finn, Poe and Rose. Within Finn might come some of the twists and turns in the last Jedi, instead of all the twists in the movie related to Rey and Luke only, this where they will be caught off guard.

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15 reasons why Finn will be the last Jedi

https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....he-last-jedi-at-the-end-of-the-trilogy.52484/​

 

I'm sorry, I don't follow. Why would the quote seem hollow given the information? If Finn is force-sensitive and goes on the mission without it being his choice, wouldn't that support the quote?

 

One of the arguments against Finn being FS, was that it would somehow lessen or cheapen Finn's actions (such as refusing to fire on the Jakku villagers), because somehow being FS meant that the Force was the one that refused to fire on the villagers I guess? (I don't claim to be a proponent of that argument, it never made sense to me). But their bottom line was about autonomy. Finn's actions have to be because Finn chose them, not because of the Force. But if Finn just jumps into a mission because the Resistance/Resistance Plot needs him, where is Finn's autonomy? Where is the requirement then that Finn's actions have to be because Finn chose them?

 

You can think that, but it was one of the issues with the PT.

But lets turn all the main characters into Jedi?

 

One of your issues not mine. But whatever, I'll leave you to your generalizations.

 

There is lots of should Finn be a Jedi or shouldn't in the thread lately. Or whether or not the number of Jedi some how equate to diminishing quality of the story. The number of Jedi are irrelevant if they tell the story right it works just fine. The PT had many problems but the number of Jedi weren't the issue. No one complains when there are too many soldiers in war films or the numerous vikings in the horde diminished the epic nature the pillaging, that western had too many cowboys, you get the idea. Good stories are good stories and you can have an ensemble cast of multiple Jedi or just one.

Now the question that is really important is whether or not Finn is or will be Force Sensitive or become a Jedi.

Currently (imo) all signs point to him being a covert operative. Not a Jedi. I wouldn't mind being wrong but there simply aren't any breadcrumbs leading that direction.

 

That's quite possible.

 

Finn has no clear direction at the moment. So, any statements that he won't be this or that or involved in this or that plot in the rest of the trilogy are nothing but pure conjecture at this point. There's no reason any poster should be acting like they know the direction of Finn or any other character for that matter because no one here is writing the movies.

 

My apologies for dredging this post up from several pages back but I almost forgot about it and I don't like to miss replying to posts.

Not at all. My point is that it is has often been stated that a character doesn't need to be FS to be special but then it is also argued that there can't be too many FS characters otherwise the FS characters aren't special enough. Surely it is not difficult to see the contradictory nature of those two positions?

Does being FS have a positive impact upon the importance of a character or does it not? Hence my following point about Rey.

By attributes I meant compelling characteristics or story potential, that doesn't exclude her "abilities" so to speak but it is not exclusive to them. If she wasn't the Jedi character/potential would her character be as compelling? An orphan scrappy street rat/mechanic who didn't have a grand destiny? Would people be speculating as much over such a character? I suspect not, or at least she would be receiving the same amount as Finn is (with the added complaints about sexist roles/stereotypes).

Now it's my turn to ask if you're trolling? Did Obi Wan not have the appropriate amount of emotion? Hell, did Yoda not have the appropriate amount of emotion? Did Obi Wan not try and see the best in him? Is that how we define humanity in characters, by trying to see the best in the person they love? Surely you can see the ridiculousness of your position?

No the "human" character as some like to phrase it is simply another way of describing the mundane character, the one without grand purpose or ability (Padme actually avoids the former if not the latter), who comments on the absurdness of the situation and reminds the audience that not all people would act like the "Hero" would. Thus emphasising their virtues.

I'm actually trying to be specific in my description of these characters, can you offer the same?

I do say it as though it's a bad thing, am I allowed to not want a character to be like Han Solo? I mean isn't that the basis of your reply, he's popular so you can't not like him? The brands of Transformers and Love Island must be beyond reproach.

I feel like I've had this discussion with so many posters so forgive me for retreading my arguments on this. I found Han funny but I never idolised him, he's not a character I wanted to be when I was young. Much like Boba Fett's popularity I'm confused by Han's outside of the aesthetic appeal. He get's captured in ESB and they clearly don't know what to do with him in ROTJ aside from comically taking out Boba Feet. Why on earth would I want TPTB to squander Finn's character potential with a rerun of OT Han?

Fortunately, I think there is potential to avoid that but it is far from certain.

Thank you.

I would agree with that analysis. I think Boyega has been at pains to softly detach himself from questions about FS and that storyline because he knows it is a sore point. Covert operative is a bit of a grand term but probably close enough, Boyega seems to use the term "gunslinger" (at least he does in the video below) as though that is a defined Star Wars role.

Perhaps they'll surprise us with a Finn twist but I doubt it, I doubt it very much. The most exciting turn of events I expect for Finn is for Rose to die.

This would have been true before the latest info drop but I think it is becoming clear that Finn's role is to prevaricate (like Han) before committing to fight for the Resistance (god damned wannabes). I think that shot of him in a pilot suit is near the end of TLJ or indeed the ending, likely him joining cobalt squad in tribute to the sisters who were apart of it. If that is the case then I hope that he isn't overly settled in the pilot position, I would rather he maintain his infantry/marine/whatever focus.

I thought this clip was interesting in terms of revealing that it was indeed JJ who pushed towards a comic Finn rather than Boyega (I had always thought it was the opposite). I suppose you can choose to portray Stormtroopers in one of two ways:

1. Menacing space soldiers/killers.
2. Comically incompetent fodder.

It's just a shame that JJ seemed to lean more on the latter than the former in this case.

And yes John, we're all wondering "who the gunslinger is?".

 

A lot of that points to Finn being pretty much a 'Han' as much as Rey is a 'Luke' at least. With him being more light hearted a character, with him wanting to escape, and questioning if he is heroic or not, and also the idea of a 'gunslinger'

I'd love to see him become like a Kyle Katarn type guns/force/saber guy. but I feel like that wouldn't happen until after Ep9. For Finn it seems like they are interested in exploring the world through the eyes of someone without a place in the grand scheme of things, through they eyes of someone continually out of there depths. I hope by the conclusion of TLJ Finn has become a more solid lead, and made his mind up about who he is.

 

Yes, this is exactly what I fear and detest that they will do with his character but, like you say, most of the signs seem to point that way:

• He doesn't want to be part of the conflict but wants to hide away and live a normal life (Han wanted to continue his life of smuggling).
• Boyega constantly talks about exploring the story through the eyes of a normal person (not a usual leading man, ugh)
• Boyega's phrasing of "who's going to be the gunslinger?" Nobody is wondering that John.

I don't think we'll have to wait until after IX for a more focused Finn though. TLJ seems to be the end of the arc that he started (and finished imo) in TFA.

Otherwise we would be doomed to Star Wars Samwise. And I skipped the hobbit parts of LotR.

 

Well he was originally called 'Sam'. But yeah, I hope he gets a better, more adult role in this film.

on a separate note if you skipped the hobbit parts of LotR then I feel like you probably missed the overarching theme relating to the World War and what Tolkien saw ordinary people do in the face of impossible odds and endless hardship.

 

Yes, that coincidence had not escaped my notice. I don't think his role in TFA was less adult but I do have an issue if a lot of TLJ is covering ground that I think TFA already covered.

I mean I read a line somewhere (can't remember where) that Finn is captivated by the view that Rose has of him, a heroic figure in her eyes that he tries to live up to. Does that not sound exactly like how he described Rey first looking at him when he said he was with the Resistance?

An intentional parallel no doubt but is it necessary to retread that development? Perhaps it leads to a massive subversion of TFA storyline but I can't help but wonder if it will act as a sort of retcon of his relationship with Rey. If that makes any sense?

Oh don't worry, when I first watched the films in the cinema and the first couple of DVD viewings I watched the parts involving the hobbits and I have read the books (some time ago mind you) so I am well aware of what occurs in those parts of the story. I just have no interest in it.

Similarly I have no interest in watching stories about the WW2 or WW1 "homefront" so to speak. I don't find the story of ordinary people struggling through particularly interesting, unless it involves the process of them becoming extraordinary through their experiences.

If any of you have studied history academically then you will be aware of the movement away from the study of great figures in history and towards how ordinary people lived in certain periods. I also found that shift not to my taste.

EDIT: And stop disagreeing @Pawek_13. The hobbits suck.

 

If you think that the most (edit) human of the characters suck, then sorry, but you are mistaken.

 

Finn is easily the character most can relate to.
He's human. In every sense of the word.

Rey is the "special" one that we all want to be (Luke, Anakin etc) but we all know deep down, we're more like Finn than Rey.