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Official Finn Episode VIII thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by romall smith, Feb 10, 2016.

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Finn Force Sensitive in Ep VIII?

  1. He is not / will not be Force Sensitive

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  2. He is / will be Force Sensitive

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  3. Does not matter he dies in Ep VIII

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  1. ObiWanKnowsMe

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    I wonder if Rose will be a prominent leader in Ep 9. Obviously she's a leader, but she kinda comes in the series like Lando came in Ep 5 and then really was a prominent role in Ep 6
     
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    No use discussing it further since we're at an impasse. :)

    The overall point is that Finn is a leader and a hero of the Rebellion by the end of the The Last Jedi. You may disagree for the reasons you've stated, but in the film he's called a hero. At the end of The Last Jedi he's a key member of the Rebellion cell. He's the man who left the First Order, the man who helped at the Battle of Starkiller Base, who bravely fought Kylo Ren, participated in the Battle of Crait, and who killed Captain Phasma.

    Finn is a hero and he's earned it.
     
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    How did they give him the freedom to choose his own path? Rose used some kind of Razer to prevent him from leaving. The Resistance isn't his family anymore than the FO. His reason to fight is there reason. He didn't come to that conclusion without persuasion. The Resistance cause has nothing personally to do with him. He gets nothing out of this fight.

    Him leaving the Resistance would have been true freedom. Him deciding on his own what he should do is choosing his own path. His family may still be alive, but he shouldn't be concerned about that I guess. Only Rey has the right to question where is her family. Most people do not fight for something they believe in. People fight because they don't want to die. This is one of the reasons why Rey and Finn suck as characters. To be the actual leads in a film. Why is the best excuse they can give is because it is the right thing? Did Luke and Leia fight the Empire because it was the right thing to do?
     
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    To prevent him from stealing an escape pod would be a more accurate description of that event.

    It seems you have issues with story choices and that's not really something that can be constructively discussed. I disagree that "Rose and Finn suck as characters." They essentially the heart of the film. Rose shows Finn there are causes worth fighting for in the galaxy. Her view wins over DJ's cynical "it's all a machine" point of view. You don't like that, it's fine, but I like the story arcs.
     
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    Er, her intention was to disable and detain a perceived deserter.
     
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    It takes more than a throwaway line from a minor (and clueless) character to make one hero. Finn's heroism is only informal in TLJ.

    But the movie SHOWED us something completely different : a bumbling incompetent, cauusing nothing but trouble, and whose choices & actions ultimately don't matter (except when he fails at parking).

    If the movie doessn't SHOW us Finn as a hero, does not treat him as a hero, and makes his choices and his character irrelevant ... then he is no hero. He has no relevant role in the story, he doesn't save anyone (but caused a lot of good people's death) : is that our dfinition of hero.

    Any heroism left in Finn comes straight from TFA ; TLJ added nothing to that, and only damaged the character.
     
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    Weren't most peoples' complaints that Finn got beat by a nameless stormtrooper in TFA, and he always got defeated by everyone in a one-on-one fight.

    And now in TLJ, the opposite is true because be beat Phasma.
     
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    --- Double Post Merged, Mar 17, 2018, Original Post Date: Mar 17, 2018 ---
    LMK your opinions on this
     
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    It seems like she will have to be since there's simply so few others there available to be leaders.
     
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    You can keep arguing if you want, but Finn is a hero and defeats Captain Phasma. You can deny it all you want, but it's clear in the film.
    Again, Finn defeats Captain Phasma which adds to him being a hero. I disagree about The Last Jedi damaging the character. If you're unable to even concede very simple plot elements then this conversation is pointless.
     
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    He does win but I would have preferred that he had earned the victory. He ultimately wins, not because he's skilled, but because he's lucky. It's a victory in name only.

    I'm sure others might be tempted to compare this battle to Obi Wan's battle with Darth Maul in TPM. Maul lets his guard down thinking he has defeated Obi Wan too right? But Obi Wan saves himself from falling to his death, uses his Force ability to grab a Qui Gon's LS undetected, and then uses the Force to escape out of the shaft and defeats Maul. Finn has the good fortune of falling on a platform instead of to his death. He uses the fact that Phasma's back is turned to defeat her.

    I was really let down by how underwhelming this victory was. I honesty liked his battle against Kylo more (even though he lost) because at least it was earned.
     
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    I really hated her character (like most of the things in TLJ) so I really hope she isn't a main character in IX. Given how TLJ ended I can see the few surviving Resistance fighters to all be leaders of various respective areas of the rebuilt Resistance. For instance General Ematt will be in charge of the army, Poe the navy, Nien the X-Wings, etc. If thats the case then I could see Rose being the Chief Engineer/Mechanic type, have her in charge of maintaining the ships and whatnot.
     
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    Rose will definitely make appearances during the film but I think Finn will be without her for the most part. I anticipate Finn will be more prominent throughout Ep 9 than he was in Ep 8, and I don't see Rose tagging along with him. But you never know. I'm usually not accurate with my film predictions haha
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    Finn is still a hero. If he just sat on board a starship and played Dejarik throughout the entirety of the last jedi -- he'd still be a hero for what he did in TFA. It's arguable that Finn has regressed or not progressed at all , but I don't see how Finn isn't a hero either way. What he did in TFA makes him a hero. Leaving the First Order because he doesn't want to slaughter defenseless people and then helping the Resistance take out SK Base. That's Heroic.
     
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    Remember when Finn was supposed to become the "Big Deal" in the Resistance in TLJ? Remember how that was a thing when people expressed disappointment after TFA? I think is a big part of the problem. He's not even that and not only is he not treated like a "Big Deal" like we were promised, the closest we get to it is a very brief statement of admiration from Rose right before it's immediately undercut by her stunning him senseless. Then the rest of the movie is spent with her bossing him around.
     
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    Rose doesn't boss Finn around. Rose is such a great character and opening up Finn's eyes to the world. It makes me sad that her character is simply dismissed as a woman "bossing Finn around." That's an unfair and loaded statement about Rose and Finn's relationship in the film.
     
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    Did Finn want to leave or stay with the Resistance?
    If he didn't leave. What stopped him from leaving?
     
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    You should probably watch the film again. These questions are covered in the first 30 minutes.

    Rose keeping people from using the escape pods was her job. That's not an example of her "bossing Finn around" if that's what you're attempting to argue.
     
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    Rose was necessary to call Finn out in all his bull$@&%, since Han was no longer around to do it, like he did in TFA.

    There's a reason Finn doesn't tell Poe about the real circumstances of how he and Rose first met. Because he's ashamed and he knows it was a cowardly thing to do. (and he's happy Rose keeps it to herself).

    In TFA, Finn and Rey were good foils for each other, because she kept wanting to return to Jakku, while he wanted to get away as far as possible. With she wanting to at least return BB-8 first and Finn trying to maintain a fake cover story.

    In TLJ, Finn needed a good foil to have. Since he's so determined to not be committed to the resistance at first, he's paired with someone that the resistance and it's cause means a lot to, Rose.
     
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    She prevented him from doing what HE wanted to do. That is bossing where she wants him. Not what he wants, but what she wants.
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    Oh boo hoo. It means so much to Rose. What kind of excuse is that to write for a lead? His reasons should be his own. Not someone else's. No one is going to put their lives on the line for your dream. He wasn't even given the decency to have his own thoughts without it being permeated by someone he just met.
    The last thing he needed was another character like Rose. Instead of creating a character who empathized with his situation. They created a character that has nothing to do with his situation, and she shown no concern for his either.
     
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