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SPECULATION OFFICIAL Kylo Ren Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by spudinho, Dec 12, 2014.

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What was your favorite Kylo moment in TFA?

  1. Confrontation with Han

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  2. Interrogating Lor San Tekka and Poe

    7.0%
  3. Temper Tantrums

    15.8%
  4. Duel with Finn and Rey

    26.3%
  5. Monologue to Vader's helmet

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  1. Greywalker

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    oh damn....I said this the other day...i swear i did not read your post.......does that mean we think alike? i normally disagree with most i read from you :D Or have I mistaken you for someone else? What's your take on Rendemption?
     
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    I have a very special view on TFA, very uncommon so I guess you won't agree with me on this because nobody did :D

    I don't see any redemption arc from Kylo Ren because he's the Vader's side while Rey is Anakin's side. For me, Rey is Vader's redemption. It is how Anakin fullfilled the prophecy, I made a thread in the TFA subforum, a very very long one :D

    https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet.com/index.php?threads/theory-rey-is-the-good-in-vader.11586/
     
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    I kinda hope Kylo doesn't have a redemption arc my self..
     
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    Now this would've been a encounter.
    [​IMG]
     
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    The Knights off Ren are dead! Luke Killed them so this picture is incorrect with Rey in it. Because we see no leaks of the Knights of Ren only by force vision which appears to be in the past tense. So Rey would not be in that scene. My theory is that Luke killed the Knights of Ren when they killed and destroyed his school and students, and left his nephew alive just like when Obiwan could not kill Anakin Skywalker after he cut his legs off, because he said you are like my brother. I believe Luke killed all the Knights of Ren except Kylo Ren because he is his family. So it be incorrect to put Rey in the picture.

    Rather yet just from speculation we might see Rey and Luke fighting Snoke's guards.


    One can't use when Snoke was speaking to Kylo Ren about being tested, he said " you the master of the knights of ren never been tested with this before'. Is Snoke speaking in the third person plural form, no he is talking to Kylo Ren by his title " the Master of the Knights of Ren" in the second person. This is his title and his status and it does not mean the Knights of Ren are alive this is why, in TFA Kylo Ren was on a very important mission, that the First Order was looking for the map to Luke Skywalker, as Snoke said looking for Luke so Luke can not bring back a new Jedi order. If the Knights of Ren was alive they would been with Kylo Ren to help look for the map to Luke this was a very important mission, and even Snoke and Kylo Ren felt the awaken of the force so if the Knights of Ren was alive they would be side by side with Kylo Ren retrieving the Map. When Kylo Ren capture Rey and sense she was strong with the force he would had Knights of Ren help look for her. All these are signs the Knights of Ren are no longer alive and Luked killed back when Knights of Ren destroyed Lukes school and students, and this is why we did not see them in TFA and will not see them in TLJ except in a force vision.
     
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    i like it!

    to spit ball off this, what if Rey's parents were members of the KoR? that would definitely make for some interesting interactions between Luke, Rey, and Ben.
     
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    Elaborate more Rey's parents were members of the Kora? So I can digest more about what you are saying and then I give some input.
     
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    what if Rey's parents were members of the KoR and Luke ended up killing them during his confrontation with Kylo Ren?

    Rey's parents could have been with the FO/KoR, hence Kylo saying, "What girl?" along with, "It is you!" later on. maybe he knew that one or two of the KoR had a child and that the child was FS; maybe they were planning on training this child to further their ends of destroying the Jedi.

    since the KoR were clearly planning some sort of attack on Luke, maybe they left their child on Jakku for safe keeping. Luke then killed them and they weren't able to return to collect her, leaving her orphaned.

    Kylo wouldn't have known her personally, as she was much younger than he was, but he would have probably been aware of her existence. this would match up with his dialog in TFA, as mentioned above, and the fact that someone (JJ?) said that Kylo didn't already know Rey before their confrontation.

    having said all this, i don't think the timeline actually matches this hypothesis; i'm pretty sure Rey got dumped on Jakku well before Kylo turned on Luke's pupils. there's still an outside chance that her parents were KoR/FO, but not in the fashion i describe above lol
     
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    I think the Kor is to far back related to the Sith. I think Rey is something new , a new idea in star wars and even her parenthood is something new idea concepts.

    But I will say maybe her parents was darkside users part of the First Order or they were people part of the First Order who we will see in 8, or it is Luke Skywalker himself he left her on Jakku, or her parents was kidnap by the first order.
     
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    I thought the exact same thing.
     
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    It would be funny if Kylo had one these installed.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Glyn Dillon, The Force Awakens concept artist: (46:13) “This was part of the very long process of trying to get to who Kylo Ren was because at the very beginning in some of the story stuff he was gonna be injured in the same way that [Darth] Vader was in some way. We didn’t know why at that stage but he was in some way disfigured or needed some sort of equipment that would help him breathe in some way. So a lot of the stuff then is like you know maybe the caliper-type legs and some sort of breathing apparatus that might help him breathe but I think as we moved on and the story developed we realized that, ‘Oh, that’s too much like Vader so we’ll move on from that.'” “J. J. [Abrams] kept on saying that he wanted something really different and really – he didn’t want it to be like Vader. But you could tell that part of him really did. It’s like wanting to have that but knowing you couldn’t have it.” (The Art of The Force Awakens panel Celebration 2016)

    Rayne Roberts, creative executive with the Lucasfilm Story Group: (51:15) “And that process Glyn [Dillon] is describing is so interesting because we have an expression a lot of times where we say, ‘the story wants something that we may not want,’ or we might think, ‘oh we don’t want that but the story wants it’ and we were thinking, ‘we don’t want [Kylo Ren] to be like [Darth] Vader,’ but we kept coming back to that and there are some familial connections we inherited from some of George [Lucas]’s original ideas and we moved some things around. And then at the end we kind of arrived at the fact that Kylo was the son of Leia and Han and that he would have had this immense reverence for his grandfather even though he didn’t really quite understand his whole story. So I think it ultimately ended up again feeding the story because of the design process.” “[The story and art] inform each other because we’re trying to figure out things. We have this villain character. Then the way this design process is going is that there’s something Vader-ish about him. And then it’s like, ‘Well maybe…what’s happened?’ So we figure out that whole backstory. And then we’re like, ‘Oh, he was their son and he worships his grandfather.’ And so it’s all connected, it’s like playing ping-pong.” (The Art of The Force Awakens panel Celebration 2016)
     
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