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Official Luke Skywalker Episode VIII Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by nightangel, Aug 25, 2016.

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    Yep I see this happening.
     
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    It sounds nice, but I doubt they're including the full Force ghosts of Yoda and/or Obi-Wan in TLJ. They will save this for Episode IX.

    Also currently there are no indications pointing to Luke using a lightsaber in TLJ. In fact, most things are pointing to the opposite. Like Mark Hamill has said himself: Don't go watch these movies expecting to relive you childhood dreams of Luke, because then you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

    Then again, we can always hope. But I'm prepared for anything.
     
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    I think now I get why Luke is in exile. It's not just about Ben. It's a whole lot more than that. Just think about it. He took down the Empire basically by turning his father and in turn his father killing the Emperor. He's wanted by the Resistance to help them and wanted by the F.O. as a criminal. I'll bet that temple that he was in that got destroyed was using Kylo for that very thing, or at least Snoke was. If he came out of hiding it would certainly endanger everyone, but who knows what Rian has done with this in the story.
     
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    But Luke didn't go into exile directly after the events of ROTJ. He went into exile around 5 years before the events of TFA (something like that, I don't remember the exact years). So he had about 25 years to rehabilitate, which is more than enough.

    Luke is happy at the end of ROTJ. Sure, his father died, but the Emperor is dead too and all of his friends are alive. Why should he be grumpy for 25 years?

    What happened at his academy must be the sole reason to why he went into exile. Anything else doesn't make sense.
     
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    I know he didn't. And I know when he went into exile, nor did I say he was or grumpy for 25 years. Not what I'm saying.
     
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    I agree, but...three things:

    Rogue One - Darth Vader - dark hallway
     
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    Forgive me, but that is what your post was indirectly implying. Going into exile is usually something you do as a punishment, but if you do it at your own will it is because you blame yourself for actions you've committed. Exile can also be closely connected to solitude, which is something Luke doesn't experience at the end of ROTJ (he is together with all of his friends). If you believe part of the reason Luke went into exile was because of his actions against the Empire, you are implying that he has been feeling guilty for something for 25 years. If so, why not go to exile earlier if that's the solution?
     
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    i get what you're saying, but i don't think the FO has a particular grudge against him.

    it still might be part of why he's hiding, but the FO (so far as i understand it) has no special love for Palpatine.
    they believe he was a flawed leader who got what he deserved and failed to uphold the glory that could have been.
    and Snoke doesn't blame Luke so much as he blames Vader.

    but i agree, Luke's got to know that his presence is dangerous or disruptive. either because he's lost his way or because he feels Snoke/Ren will burn down everything in their path to get at him. he's in an impossible situation: fight Ben to the death or let the galaxy possibly descend into chaos. the burden on him is every bit immense as that on the shoulders of his nephew.
     
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    Sounds like Plagueis is upset hiS grand plan was ruined, as was Vader's potential.
    He will not make the same mistake with his grandson....:D
     
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    yeah for me its going to either be exact retread of Empire where luke stays on the island or he leaves the island and goes of to save her and dies.

    I don't really like either option :(
     
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    It's not like Luke hasn't been in such an "impossible" situation before.

    ROTJ: Fight his father to death or let the galaxy descend into chaos.

    Luke has experience of that. And in my point of view, killing your own father is a bit more emotional than killing your nephew. But yeah, that's just my opinion.

    Of course it might be more emotional for Luke to kill Ben since he feels somewhat responsible for his turn to the dark side. But so does Han, and Leia specifically said that it was SNOKE who lured Ben to the dark side. If Leia knows this, so should Luke. Unless Luke is delusional.
     
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    this.

    Luke doesn't need to be delusional, he only needs to be human.
    1. just because Leia says it doesn't make it true or mean everyone should believe it's true. is Snoke really the only person who influenced Ben? doubtful. people are the sum of many influences.
    2. Ben was specifically under Luke's care.
    3. not only was Ben under Luke's care, but he was placed there specifically to protect him from his own Darkness (good job Luke?).
    there's plenty of blame to go around. when i watch TFA i see a broken father who is angry with his best friend in addition to being saddled with guilt, and a mother trying to assuage her own conscience by deflecting. in fact they both do it: too much Vader, it was Snoke.

    like everybody else, it would appear Luke did not know what to do with Ben to help him grow up well-adjusted in spite of the burden of his powers. guilt is a very powerful thing and it seems it will continue to influence events in the ST as they all will now need to deal with the death of Han in their own ways as well.
     
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    I never got the impression Han was angry at Luke in TFA - there is absolutely nothing that indicates this. And I don't read any novels or info books, so don't tell me "it's explained in the novels".

    You shouldn't be expected to read a novel to understand how characters in a movie work - the movie itself should be able to explain this.
     
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    i didn't bring up the novel.

    this doesn't seem to be the face of a man who is pleased to be reminded of the name "Luke Skywalker".
    you can interpret his grimace and subsequent disdain however you want, but he does not look pleased to me.

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    Quite the contrary, when he says "I knew Luke" he sounds rather nostalgic, just like when he's talking about the Force.

    Besides, I think Harrison Ford looks grumpy in all of his movies lately.
     
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    There are two things about Luke in TLJ that I am confident about. I don't see him turning dark. I don't see him dying. I do think he will be a troubled character, especially at first. At the end of ROTJ he was a hero. His dad was redeemed. He was at an all time high as far as his character arc goes. He grew from a naive farm boy to hero of the galaxy. Now his character has to go through more growth from a failed ( at least in his eyes) Jedi Master to one who must overcome his failure. This will occur through Rey's hero's journey. She will convince him to train her. Her eventual success will be his redemption. In the process we will likely see hero Luke again. If not in TLJ we will see it in IX
     
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