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Official Obi-Wan Disney+ Series - Discussion

Discussion in 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' started by Kyle, Sep 7, 2014.

  1. eeprom

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    Sure, the logistics of it work fine. My reservation is more centered on character.

    I’m sure I’m not the only one, but when I was a kid and heard old Ben say “Obi-Wan Kenobi? Obi-Wan. Now, that's a name I've not heard in a long time. A long time,” it wasn’t my interpretation that the coot had simply stopped using the name, but that he’d stopped being that person altogether.

    It marries with the convo Luke and Owen had the night before.
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    LUKE: What if this Obi-Wan comes looking for him?
    OWEN: He won't. I don't think he exists anymore. He died about the same time as your father.
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    “Obi-Wan”, then, is to “Ben” as “Anakin” is to “Vader”. That heroic Jedi, that damn-fool idealist of derring-do, didn’t exist after Anakin’s ‘demise’. Not until Luke resurrected him by bringing that name to his front door.

    The idea of “Obi-Wan Kenobi” going off and having “Obi-Wan Kenobi” adventures during that time just doesn’t read quite right to me. I'm totally open to Joby Harold and Deborah Chow proving me wrong though :)
     
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    @eeprom

    I am quite sure that the fight against his former padawan and even more his friend during loads of adventures must have left Kenobi in such a terrible psychological state after ROTS.
    He could've been haunted just like Ben Solo after killing his father. Everything he believed in and loved, gone..
    Therefore it's a man in an existencial crises. Only one real goal left. Protecting Luke from afar. At the same time Owen Lars can't stand the old strange wizard.
    Luke's surroundings reminds me a bit of the situation Harry Potter lived in.
    Straight forward farmers, that did not like to see Luke involved in "wizardry".

    Again. Everything but easy situation for Kenobi. Did he make a trip to Alderaan once to look after Leia? Maybe.
    But it must has been a quite nervy job for OB to look for the twins and keep their secret. Staying in the shadows himself too.
    Maybe he has inhaled his new job that much, that he literally forgot and even WANTED TO forget who he once was after a while, like @eeprom said.

    Summarized. We could see a Kenobi, struggling with himself, a bit like Luke did in the ST. At least for a while.
    Maybe it's Yoda all over again, that confronts him that he has to face Vader.
    Confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi.
    It rhymes @Jayson :D
     
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  3. eeprom

    eeprom Prince of Bebers

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    From a pure character perspective, I’m excited what the potential examining this figure, at this point in his life, could bring. So much organic internal conflict. He’s a man who failed his mentor, his student, his order, his government. He’d be racked with enormous guilt over his perceived shortcomings. What he could have done to prevent them, but didn’t.


    He’d also, understandably, have massive degrees of resentment as well. It wasn’t fair for Qui-Gon to place such a burden on him. Anakin failed him as much as he did him. The Jedi didn’t simply collapse. They were culpable in their own destruction. And the Republic traded their liberty away freely, turning themselves into the Empire. He’d be completely justified in his righteous indignation. Even over having to toil in the desert watching over his fallen friend’s son, throwing his life away to protect the product of someone else’s indiscretion – defensible anger, which would spiral him right back to guilt again.


    In the end though, we know he overcomes that. He puts aside his ego. He transcends above his mental/emotional roadblocks, embraces himself and the larger invisible world, defeats his inner darkness, and finds peace. That’s a journey I desperately would want to see play out.


    Problem is though: that’s not very ‘fun’. It’s still Star Wars. It’s still action/adventure. You can’t have content, with this brand, be an introspective survivor story. There has to be spectacle. There has to be sword fights and explosions. So, I imagine, that’s more the direction it will lean.
     
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    So many good thoughts here. I don't just want this to be good I want it to be GREAT! This could really serve as some strong connective tissue between the PT and OT. Knowing both Hayden and Ewen will be involved is absolutely awesome and I hope they knock it out of the park. I remain hopefully optimistic LFL will be able to craft a worthy story we all can enjoy.
     
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    I keep hearing that Hayden Christensen is going to be in this, and while I like Hayden, I’m really not understanding how that is even possible. Are they going to re-edit ANH so Vader says, “I sense something... a presence I haven’t felt since... well, except that one time” and “When I left you, I was but a learner. Now I am the master, and also that one time in the middle.”

    I really don’t feel like it makes sense to have Obi-Wan and Vader have any encounters between 3 and 4. But besides that, there is also a practical problem: Is Disney going to pay a huge salary to a major star just to stick him in the Vader suit?
     
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    In defense of Hayden and Disney, this would not be the first time Disney paid stars big $$$ to entirely cover their faces and waste their acting abilities:
    1) Maz Kanada
    2) Captain Phasma
    3) Wickett at the end of TROS

    If you follow the rumors,
    there will be extensive flashbacks from the Clone Wars featuring Kenobi and Anakin, in which case the actor’s face and body will be shown.
    Either way, I hope Hayden does a great job and will convince the haters that he should come back for more projects.
     
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    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 5, 2021, Original Post Date: Jan 5, 2021 ---
    IMO it can work as a created occasion the audience isn't familiar with in which Vader is referring to. Vader's statement to Obi-Wan can still work. In fact it's going to HAVE to work.
     
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    As far as Order 66 is concerned....maybe they can explain the sudden nerfing of all Jedi when the order was invoked....
     
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    Hey y’all! (I’m new to this so any help is appreciated)

    Thoughts on other Jedi that could show up?
    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 5, 2021, Original Post Date: Jan 5, 2021 ---
    hey man what’s up
     
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    At this point, I don't really care about continuity concepts. I know that's where a lot of folks are going to go (and for many reasons that is a painful juggle), but the main thing that I'm hoping for out of Kenobi is that it has a Lawrence of Arabia vibe to it.

    Mando captured Star Wars' western air well. It would be brilliant if Kenobi captured the Lawrence of Arabia influence in Star Wars and explored that riff.
    From the teasers, it looks like it may very well do that. A sort of mix between Lawrence of Arabia and Rogue One.

    Here's to hoping!

    On a further note: it would be interesting if each spin-off series explored another influential stylistic aspect of Star Wars. I'm not certain that's what they're doing, but it would be a cool way to go.

    Cheers,
    Jayson
     
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    i hope black krrsantan will show up
     
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    is he canonically alive post-ROTJ? Because honestly I'd rather see some of these bounty hunter types show up in Book of Boba or Mando.

    But I do wonder if we will see any characters from the comics and animated shows in Kenobi. Could be a cool place for live-action Inquisitors and Purge Troopers.
     
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    Probably, nothing has come close to killing him yet, and he is around the same age Chewbacca was at the time
     
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    I'm growing more and more certain that the anounced Kenobi vs. Vader rematch thing is not what we're lead to believe. I don't think we'll see an actual, 9 BBY, showdown between the two old friends, at least not without a heavy dose of "from a certain point of view" narrative twisting.

    More likely, I believe, we'll see flashbacks to the Mustafar duel, and possibly a flashback to an as-of-yet unseen early post-RotS showdown wherein Kenobi went out hunting for Vader, trying and failing to save his old friend ('cause "Obi-One once thought as you do"). This will all be background stuff to ground the 9 BBY- Kenobi, informing his state of mind and outlook.

    In addition, I believe it highly likely we'll see Kenobi dream-dueling Vader/Anakin akin to Luke's "failure in the cave"; Kenobi's own Force trial.

    All this could happen to the backdrop of Vader Sith-ing about in the Galaxy, possibly even doing stuff directly or indirectly witnessed by Kenobi or affecting his plot in some way.
     
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    I’ve never liked this interpretation of that statement. It seems so straight forward to me. Like Luke, Obi-Wan used to believe in Anakin, the good and noble Jedi. For good reason, he no longer does. Simple as that. It doesn’t imply he went on some moralistic crusade at some point to save his soul like Luke.

    And if he does, then what? He fails? The culmination of that journey then is accepting that Anakin is irredeemable - when we know that isn’t true? That would be a weird and pointless arc to leave his narrative on.
     
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    "When I left you" became even more sardonic the instant Kenobi picked up Anakin's blue bladed light saber as he walked away in ROTS. Any physical encounters between Kenobi and Vader on the show will diminish the sarcasm, wit and emotional weight that scene 38 has provided saga fans for almost 45 years. Some things, are absolutely better when left alone.
     
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    The most important thing I'm looking to this series for is a compelling contrast with Luke Skywalker's choices in the Sequel Trilogy. Kenobi will essentially be dealing with the same situation that Luke dealt with upon losing Ben Solo: they both failed their respective apprentices who then went on to unleash untold terror on the galaxy. Both Luke and Kenobi went into exile following these experiences. Luke then "cut himself off from the Force" and completely disengaged with his friends and allies. Conceivably, Kenobi becomes more attuned to the Force, communes with Qui-Gon, watches over Luke and most probably engages in the galactic struggle. There's so many interesting opportunities for parallels and contrasts in this scenario. As long as a confrontation with Vader serves some interesting character development purposes, I'm excited for it.
     
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    These are the Kenobi episodes I'm looking for.
     
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    im glad this is only going to be one season. i feel like it'll be more epic than if it were made into several seasons.
     
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    I wonder if this character might appear in the show?
    Old Lady on Tatooine.png

    Assuming she's around the same age as the acctress in TRoS (88), she'd be perhaps 40 in the Obi-Wan Kenobi show. She definitely knows the Lars homestead and so knows how there haven't been people there for a very long time (since ANH), so chances are she knew the family well and know how LFL likes to tie up stuff, I believe it is entirely possible we'd see her (=different actor) have a small part in the show. Thoughts?
     
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