SPOILER Official Obi-Wan Disney+ Series - Discussion

That's awesome! I would love to see them all back!

 

We've had no particular spoilers about this movie, but one thing I liked about Obiwan's arc in the prequels was that after he and Anakin apprehend the would-be assassin sent to kill Padme, Obiwan engages in some good old-fashioned detective work, leading him ultimately to the cloning aliens and their facility. I thought it intriguing to imagine that the Jedi had to choose a specialization in addition to their Jedi training. Yoda, being a grand master, did not have one, but Anakin's might have been engineering, Qui-Gon's the Jedi Search, and Obiwan's, forensics.

Therefore, the Obiwan film could become its own 'CSI on Coruscant' franchise, as long as the creativity and Ewan MacGregor's older-than-in-the-prequels visage hold up. We could learn more about Coruscant as well as about other worlds from the series. There could be new characters introduced - new padawans for Jedi (not yet Master) Detective Kenobi, while Anakin is at that awkward stage between Ep. 1 and Ep. 2, pursuing his studies off-camera. There could be non-Force-using villains, intriguing storylines, and futuristic forensics.

What say you???

 

I like some elements of what you've presented here in the sense of Obi-Wan being a bit of a detective, though I don't think a backstep to the time between TPM and AOTC is the direction they'll likely take here. I'd more like to see Ewan in the transition to becoming "Old Ben" of Tatooine. By the time we get around to an Obi-Wan spin off, Ewan will be pushing 50 and really be the perfect age to have an adventure or even a series of them set before A New Hope.

I'd even like to see Liam Neeson cameo perhaps as Qui-Gon's force ghost. The first time I saw Revenge of the Sith, I really thought we'd get that but never did. With the Jedi gone and Obi-Wan in relative isolation, it'd make sense for him to consult his former master in times of need.

 

I agree that this is a more likely avenue they would pursue, but isn't Tattooine a bit played out, as a planet? I mean there was Luke and the Larses, the events of ANH, TPM and AOTC, and now spoilers suggest there will be more action on Tattooine in TFA. The whole concept of Tattooine was that it was a miserable, dull place, albeit with its centers of villainy. The only thing that interests me about Obiwan in hiding was why, if he knew Luke's identity, he did not seek him out and train him early. He had to know that Vader and the Emperor would eventually find out - Vader, of course, sooner than Palpatine. What else is there on Tattooine? Legitimate question...

 

There's already a thread for this
http://thecantina.starwars7news.com/index.php?threads/obi-wan-spinoff.77/

 

It is in Rumors, though... there should be one in here, too.

 

i think the spaceport we haven't seen yet could be Anchorhead or Tosche Station. perhaps the Jedi Obi-Wan runs into is Quinlan Vos or Asoka Tano. Obi-wan would learn that Anakin survived and turned into Vader, therefore ending his mission and returning to Tatooine to look after Luke once more.
the final battle could be between one of the Jedi and Darth Vader while Obi-Wan fights Maul armed with the darksaber upon returning to tatooine. The jedi would loose to Vader while Obi-Wan defeats Maul once and for all.

 

When last Obiwan saw Anakin, he was a limbless, charred piece of former Jedi. While he might have sensed that he was not yet dead, he certainly left Anakin with the idea that Anakin would die by the lava pit. He might not have known that Anakin had actually become the second Sith Lord, only that he had gone over to the Dark Side. Actually having them meet in a spinoff defeats the iconic line from ANH, "When last we met, I was but the learner - now I am the master!" However, Obiwan might see Vader without meeting him and gradually come to the terrible conclusion that not only had Anakin survived, but that he was now the No. 2.

Moreover, if it were the case that Obiwan found out that Vader was Anakin, perhaps by following a trail left by a Vader spy/Inquisitor, or even following a DISGUISED VADER himself, to a stash of memorabilia, images and other clues left by Vader as he attempted to track down his children. They might even meet, at a distance, face to face, again with Vader swathed in schmattahs to hide his face and breathing apparatus, and Vader flees to avoid facing him without the suit. That could actually be the pretext for an entire film.

I will say, fans need to let go of Darth Maul, IMO. He is dead, his story finished, and he did not get short shrift in the saga. I know, I know, he looked so cool. His makeup was amazing. His fighting was spectacular, with that lightsaber staff - but that was the problem. He was cast with a stuntman, not an actor. Even his very few lines were, IIRC, voice overs. While that is not so different from Vader, Vader did have actors playing him in pivotal scenes, and when JEJ was doing the voice, there was not a camera focused on his face. With the magic of Hollywood, they could surely allow Ray Park to lip sync a whole performance as Maul.... but to me it doesn't seem worth it. I would rather see an origin story for Maul.

And those of you who are rating me down, I am being realistic, not pessimistic. Isn't it enough that I am enthusiastically FOR the Boba Fett film, in spite of his complete lack of an actual character? *ducks*

 

Did you not watch the Clone Wars? Darth Maul was pretty important in the later seasons and had his own comic set after the Clone Wars, so he isn't dead. Not yet anyway.

 

I guess the answer is....no, I did not watch the Clone Wars, and in any event they must have reincarnated Darth Maul if he was on that show, because he appeared to be cut in two (or was it three?) in TPM. IMO, the fans have had their fix. If Maul were alive in the period between ROTS and ANH, Vader would have to kill him himself, lest his position as the second Sith Lord be in jeopardy.

And I said Ray Park lip synced (meaning his mouth moved while a voiceover was used as his voice) the part.

 

My idea.

Obi-Wan, looking out for Luke at Tatooine. Sometimes hangs out in Mos Eisley, when he notices a disturbance in the force. He sees The Inquisitor, doesn't really pay attention to him until he sees his lightsaber. The Inqusitor somehow recognizes Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan escapes. The Inquisitor informs Darth Vader. "Leave him to me!" says Darth Vader. After that Darth Vader begins his hunt for Obi-Wan with the epic conclusion with epic lightsaber battle. Obi-Wan mentions Padme, her last words. Darth Vader gets angry and defeats Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan has a chance to fight back again, but he knows he got weaker and that the anger made Vader 10x stronger. So he runs away into hiding. Changing his name to Ben Kenobi. Living alone, not talking to anyone, just looking out for Luke. And communicating with Qui-Gon and learning how to be one with a force.

 

If anything, what if the spinoff shows an updated fight between Obi-Wan and Darth Vader? I really like all the ideas presented here, but I am a firm believer that Obi-Wan only fights Anakin once after cutting off his limbs - on the Death Star. I can see the spinoff going through the legend of Ben Kenobi on Tatooine, and with it ending on the final battle. It not only keeps A New Hope's fight unaltered, but can give an alternative glimpse to the fight, perhaps what we did not see in the movie. It's a huge stretch, I know, but I have always felt the lightsaber battles worked really well except in A New Hope, where they were more of a novelty, with no flair and style, than anything else.

 

It's a cool idea, if it weren't for the line in ANH, "When last we met, I was but the learner - now I am the Master." That is the reason my scenario had Vader fleeing before confronting Obiwan. It was clear from the way Lucas structured the prequels that the last time Vader had actually met Obiwan was when the latter defeated Vader on Mustafar.

 

Here is what I would propose:

Kenobi I- Ben Kenobi a lone bachelor (not qualified as an old hermit yet) senses a disturbance in the force. His fist instinct is to seek out Luke he happens upon Lars and young Luke at Toche Station. Nothing turns up but among the casual conversation at Toche Station it is learned that some one got cut up in a bar fight by what was said to be some kinda laser sword. Worried that is fears are realized he hurries to find out that the laser sword wielder (light saber he corrects) was wielded by a female. As he continues to investigate his chase is lead off world where he runs afoul of Asajj Ventriss who has been hunting Ahsoka Tano. Shenanigans ensue.

Kenobi II- Ventriss who survived her run in with Kenobi barely has had visions of Mother Talzyn. She seeks to restart a coven of force witches. Ahsoka has a run in with an Inquisitor and learns that the Emperor is hunting force sensitive children. Many of these children are murdered but some are being brought into serve the Emperor. They are not full fledged Sith but have a future use as inquisitors, assassins and fail-safes if Vader goes rogue on him. This leads to a 3 way hunt for a reported force sensitive child on some planet somewhere, perhaps a Lessat like Zeb. More Shenanigans. The child is rescued and Tano takes the child with her to keep the kid from the new coven and from the inquisitors. Kenobi hopes that Tano will declare herself a Jedi and take the child as her padawan. She says no. The Jedi have no hope (until a new one shows up ) and she is an idealist and felt the Jedi lost their way. She does agree to keep the kid safe and in hiding.

Kenobi III- Vader is called to task and punished by the emperor who feels that Vader and his inquisitors have failed in their mission. First Kenobi was found and then lost, one of the children was lost and Vader has failed to address the mistakes. Vader himself spearheads a plan to draw out Kenobi. Fearing that Vader may betray him the emperor knowing the Inquisitors and other dark trainees are no match for Vader he puts things in action to ensure that either Vader is more fully devoted to him or destroyed and he gets an apprentice that will work until such a time as replacement arises. He seeks out his old apprentice/enemy Maul. Maul was left pretty mentally broken after the events of Son of Dathomir but the emperor through torture and manipulation is able to tap into Maul's hatred of Kenobi. This sets off a course of events that brings Maul, Vader and Kenobi to battle before the throne of the emperor. Kenobi is wounded, Maul is prevented by Vader from killing him, first because Vader wants to kill Kenobi himself, second because he knows that he has something to prove to the emperor. Vader after epic battle kills Maul. Kenobi tries to escape cause he is wounded. The cavalry arrives in the form of a rebel force among them Ahsoka and her Lesat youngling. The rebels strike a major blow, Kenobi escapes and Vader is still the Emperor's guy.

 

I would welcome a Obi Won spin off movie.

 

Sounds to me that the three are in talks....

 

That could be an interesting Spinoff movie.... even if it would be limited on Tattooine... unless we learn that Obi Wan actually left the planet somewhere in between ROTS and ANH.

We could learn that it wasn't a piece of cake staying low profile all these years... how he changed names for Ben....

I could see it happening in parallel with a Jabba the Hutt story...

Maybe a bounty hunter that figures out Obi Wan is still alive and hunts him...

 

I asked Bonnie over facebook. She said she hasn't been approached.

 

she'd have to say that though, right?

I think anyone other than McGregor playing Obi-Wan would be a bit daft, and he as met with Disney recently (rumours were for Dr Strange but my money would be a Kenobi spin-off) .........

 

That's probably true, but she also said "Feel free to write to JJ Abrams etc and request it Even if you want to get a petition together that'd be awesome!"

If they do the film and Beru is more than a featured extra, they would probably recast the role, since bonnie is a singer and not an actor.