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SPOILER Official Obi-Wan Disney+ Series - Discussion

Discussion in 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' started by Kyle, Sep 7, 2014.

  1. Lord of the Rens

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    I guarantee that Vader gets pancaked, again.
     
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    There are only 6 episodes, and they deliver the first two at the same time... :( basically, starting on May 27, the serie will already be over on June 24.
     
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    All I've ever heard Vader saying is that Obi-Wan used to believe in Anakin Skywalker, the good and decent person, the same way Luke now does. ROTS deliberately underscores that: “You have become a far greater Jedi than I could ever hope to be.” Vader believes he proved him wrong and he’ll prove Luke wrong too. Pretty straight forward.

    There’s nothing wrong with alternate takes and reinterpretation, but that line has never been at odds with anything but certain people’s perceptions of it.
    The duel in ANH is the long fated reunion between a saddened teacher and his misguided student. The wayward student wants to demonstrate how superior he now is to his former master, while the regretful teacher is merely dismayed by his former pupil’s current ignorance. One is attacking. One is defending.

    Vader’s concept of power is material and shallow and only extends to the here and now. It’s all about possession and aggression. Kenobi’s concept of power is ethereal and infinite and extends beyond life itself. It’s all about transcendence and tranquility. For Kenobi, it isn’t even a duel. He isn’t fighting Vader. He’s imparting one last lesson to his lost apprentice: the Force is so much larger than your hateful mindset will allow you to see.

    The choreography isn’t great, no. But it’s WAY more than “two old men tapping sticks together” and is one of the most ‘emotionally resonant’ encounters in all of Star Wars if you really dissect what’s happening.

    Well, in my opinion.
     
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    Vader still believes, or has to convince himself, that he has made the right choice. He's done nothing wrong. So when Luke says that there is still good in him and he can renounce the path he's chosen, I think that is what Vader is referring to. That Obi-Wan thought that he could make right a wrong choice. Vader just can't or won't see it that way. He needs to believe he is doing right.

    Kylo Ren on the other hand sort of accepts it when others denounce his choices for him. It's as if he's wilfully defying them, even though he knows it is clearly wrong, because it's his destiny. To become what he's supposed to be. "To be a great man one cannot be a good one." It's only when the dubious prize of greatness is definitely out of reach and he realises it was all a pipe dream (except maybe at a far greater cost than he and his family have already had to bear) that he finds the strength to do what he knew was "right" all along.
     
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    So wait two episodes dropped at the same time, which will of course be some ungodly hour like 2:00am ???? I move that all future streaming series start at 7:00pm central standard time
     
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    Definitely not that early on. Agreed.
     
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    I agree. But I would also add that it could not have been felt that way when ANH came out because no one knew the history between them. For all their faults, the prequels and TCW gave us the depth and history to FEEL that scene in that way.

    Without all that extra content that came after (some good, some… not) it would have just been two men slapping sticks together. So whether the Obi-Wan series is great or OK it will give us all more depth to these beloved characters.
     
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    I’d argue the opposite (well, of course I would :D). We get the context of their relationship pretty early on.

    “A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi knights. He betrayed and murdered your father. Now the Jedi are all but extinct. Vader was seduced by the dark side of the Force.”

    It’s Obi-Wan Kenobi, this great Jedi hero of the Republic, whose student is responsible for so much evil in the pursuit of this dark version of the Force. He killed his friend. He irradicated his religion. There’s already a reckoning to be had there. One that Vader accepts as inevitable. “Escape is not his plan. I must face him alone.” And when it happens and these two are reunited again, the perspective is exactly the one Obi-Wan described. It’s between master and apprentice. “When I left you, I was but the learner. Now I am the master.”

    I’d say ANH, in and of itself, is the only viewpoint where that exchange makes sense at all. Post ESB, the moment we discover that Vader wasn’t just his pupil, but also the Jedi Knight Obi-Wan regarded as an equal, things are already getting wonky. Then when ROTS reframes “master” as being a rank that Anakin never achieved and TCW gives him his own pupil to mentor, we’re pretty far from the original premise.
    That’s just not how I see it. That moment works the best for me if I ignore all that other stuff and just engage strictly with what’s presented in the movie itself. It’s a teacher at the end of his life, finally confronting his lost student - his greatest regret, gladly sacrificing himself, comforted by the hope made possible by a new student. I don’t really need the full backstory for that. I love it all by itself on its own terms.
    Great sentiment. Just like I deal with ANH as its own thing, I plan to view this series the same way. However it recontextualizes what happens in ANH is fine by me. It only has the potential to enhance it. If it doesn’t, then who cares? The version in my head is the only one that really matters to me anyway :D
     
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    It's in the news feed but it might as well be here too.

     
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    That’s a good trailer right there. The line where uncle Owen throws OBiWans failure with Anakin in his face, the inquisitor say “you can’t run from him” and the look on OBiWans face when he sees Vader all work for me. It’s going to be a story about how both an internal and external struggle. I like what I’m seeing!
     
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    "I want every low-life and bounty hunter to squeeze him." You heard her, Cantina gang.
     
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    Every outhouse, henhouse, doghouse...
     
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    Darth Vader kills Obi-Wan Kenobi in 0 BBY.... :eek:
     
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    Thanks for ruining my childhood. I hate you.

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    But. Somehow...
    he comes back.
     
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    Alright folks. Conspiracy theory time.

    Black Series Kenobi figure coming soon. No picture of the packaging. Official description says it has three accessories. One is the lightsaber.

    In a TV interview, Ewan showed off the toy and packaging. You can see that accessory number two is the blaster.

    But there is an empty space in the upper right corner of packaging where an accessory has clearly been removed.

    What is the third accessory and why are they hiding it?

    [​IMG]
     
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    Mandalorian jet-pack. Possible interaction with Bo-Katan.
     
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    THIS.
     
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    I'm curious if Obi-wan Kenobi will fool around while he's on the run. He needs a grandson to mate with Rey.
     
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