SPECULATION OFFICIAL Rey Discussion Thread

AIN'T THAT THE TRUTH..THE POPCORN ALMOST NEVER MAKES IT TO THE FILM!!

 

Is this debate as to Rey's parents going to go on until December 17th?

 

We may be having this discussion about her parents for years. Personally, I don't think we'll learn much about it in this movie.

 

That may be true, but it's still a weird thing for Hamill to say if he's playing the new protagonist's dad.

 

Here's some less awkward Hamill quotes.

Mark Hamill: "I'm assuming, because I haven't talked to the writers, that these movies would be about our offspring – like my character would be sort of in the Obi-Wan range [as] an influential character. … When I found out [while making the original trilogy] that ultimate good news/bad news joke – the good news is there's a real attractive, hot girl in the universe; the bad news is she's your sister – I thought, 'Well, I'm going to wind up like Sir Alec [Guinness]. I'm going to be a lonely old hermit living out in some kind of desert igloo with a couple of robots.'" (February 2013)

Mark Hamill: "This is about the new generation of characters; I think that’s the most important thing. It’s the opening act of a whole new approach to the storytelling. So I never thought that the stories would be – first of all, I never thought I’d be involved in it again, period. And then when George [Lucas] said that they wanted to do more, I rightly assumed that it wouldn’t be our story, because we had a beginning, a middle, and an end. This must be our offspring and the current generation..." (December 2014)

Mark Hamill: "When you find out that the only woman that you really fell head over heels with is your sister... you know, it's telling you something. So I had a feeling I'd probably wind up like Sir Alec [Guinness] in the first one, living in some igloo out in the desert... ...in therapy, but with just no human contact, just droids... ...no, seriously... I mean we all laugh about it but can you–when you follow it through that must have been quite the traumatic experience for my character. You know what I'm saying? 'Cause [Han and I] were both after her..." (San Diego Comic Con 2015)

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I see nothing there that contradicts the idea that Rey isn't his or Leia's daughter?

If she is, that's great. If she isn't, that's great. Not sure why people are so adamant that she has to be, though.

 

I still strongly lean Han and Leia because JJ said that if you saw ROTJ you know the back story (or something to that effect). Meaning after ROTJ Luke had to pass on what he learned. Han and Leia were to live as happily ever after as they can while rebuilding the republic. The point being JJ implied that the rails of the train are already in place and TFA is further down the same lines.

 

If Rey does turn out to be Han and Leia's daughter, then I wonder whether JJ and LK have made the story more complicated and convoluted than it needed to be? Wouldn't it be simpler to have Rey grew up with Han and Leia, and then be sent on the mission to Jakku along with Poe? TFA could still have the Finn storyline and the search-for-Luke storyline. Rey could still be force-sensitive but not yet had any training to be a Jedi (because Luke had gone away when she's still a baby). We wouldn't get the classic trope of a nobody growing up in a remote place and then going on a hero's journey, but then TFA would have avoided the impression of being a rehash of ANH.

 

Because she's the star of this new trilogy of the continuation of the Skywalker saga. It would be silly and make no sense if she's not related at all

I didn't get that at all from his comments. All he was trying to say is that he has a backstory to work from that he didn't have to create one.

But if she's a Solo? Why was she abandoned at 5 yrs old and how does Han not recognize her?

 

If Luke has a kid then JJ has to create a back story. There are a million reasons why Rey might be on Jakku and she be Han and Leia's.

 

This all I have to add to this discussion.

Seriously, Rey is Bae.

 

If that is the answer to that question, what a let down. Why does this story even need to take place in space? "Who is Luke Skywalker" needs to address Luke's goals in life, the pressures of being the last jedi, his failures, his successes, etc.. I mentioned it before, any low-life moron can have a kid. I think Luke - AS THE LAST JEDI - is more than just someone's biological father.

 

I'm sure this has been speculated before, in fact I may have posted about this awhile back, but it would be interesting if Rey was not a Skywalker or Solo-Organa, but a Kenobi.

Assuming Kylo Ren is Han and Leia's son, this could reestablish the Kenobi-Skywalker relationship as the central dynamic extending back to the prequel era. Obi-Wan mentoring Annakin, their falling out, Obi-Wan mentoring Annakin's son Luke, Annakin defeating Obi-Wan, Luke defeating his father ... and now Luke training Obi-Wan's granddaughter/grandniece to challenge Annakin's grandson (Luke's nephew)?

Three points that lend credence to this idea:
- The early rumor that Maisie Richardson-Sellars was being considered for the role of Kenobi's granddaughter (pretty sure this was reported in EW or another reputable trade publication) -- in which case the rumor like many rumors was only half-right, and it's in fact Daisy who is playing this role
- Rey's accent in the film is closer to Kenobi than it is to Luke/Leia/Han -- this could be dismissed as something she picked up on Jakku, or from her early foster parents or something, but it could also suggest her early existence was among the Kenobi family (can anyone with a more discerning ear than me determine if the regional accent she's using in TFA aligns with the accent Guinness/McGregor used?)
- GL's assertion that Disney threw out his original treatment, and his argument that the movies are supposed to be about the Skywalker generational conflicts, as if to say that JJ et al have deviated from this plan in some way despite Kennedy's assertion that the movie is indeed about "family" (I.e. it's now about not just the Skywalker generations but the Kenobi bloodline as well). This could also play into GL's deriding Disney for what he considers a story that caters to fanservice.

Anyone know if there's much of anything about Obi-Wan's family that is still canon? Is it possible he had siblings who had children who were force sensitive, and who might've given birth to Rey?

 

This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but some people assume Han doesn't know who Rey is. I just want to point out there isn't anything in what we've seen so far to suggest that. If there is, then please point it out, because it has escaped my attention.

The only thing that might imply it is from the shooting script where he wants them off the MF, but then changes his mind. That seems vague to me- and it could be that the reason why he changes his mind is that he figures out who she is. Honestly, they're lucky Han doesn't shoot them on sight for being on the MF.

 

Yeah I don't think we can know a this point if he does or doesn't know who Rey is when they meet. From what we know of the outline, he could either be completely oblivious, suspect something but not say anything, or outright know and not say anything. There's a reason why they've refrained from showing us more than 2 seconds of him interacting with her lol.

 

That's true. Also, if he didn't at least suspect who she is, why take her directly to Maz? The flashback scene isn't very clear, but it shows Rey something about her own past. Since they only decode the lightsaber (or the crystal, or whatever) later on the point of seeing Maz is to clue Rey in on who she is.

The kid's book that came out recently said that Han was trying to return BB8 to the Resistance. Well, why make a detour to Maz before he did that? Especially when Maz said she didn't know what Leia was doing these days. She doesn't seem to be a contact for the Resistance.

 

I've said that before

I'm 100% in agreement with you

There's nothing on the official TFA media proving Han doesn't know who she is

Just because of that dialogue about The Jedi people assumed they just met why would Random guy talk about his past and the past of the galaxy to random girl he just met? She could be a spy

She could be First Order for that matter

We can read that interaction in many different ways

 

OK, found this: http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2015...s-accents-in-star-wars-the-force-awakens.html

So Rey is speaking with a posh "Received Pronunciation" accent, same as Kenobi. This is not Daisy Ridley's native accent so this is an intentional decision. I think it's strange that people aren't making a bigger deal of this in their speculations. Again, Rey very well could have picked up that accent from anywhere/anyone, but there's only one major character/hero Jedi who speaks with that accent: Obi-Wan Kenobi.

This would make it less weird if Han/Leia don't recognize her, since they'd be less familiar with her than they would be with their own long lost daughter/niece, and there would be a certain "poetry" (to use GL's term for symmetry) to having Luke mentor Obi-Wan's descendent (whether his granddaughter or grandniece). Much like Luke was stowed away on a desert planet to be looked after from afar by Kenobi, so was Rey stowed away on a desert planet to be looked after from afar by Luke.

I actually think this is the most reasonable explanation for her secret last name, given GL's frustrations with the direction Disney took with the story (which, again, he reiterates is away from the Skywalker generational conflict), along with the early rumors of Maisie Richardson-Sellars in the running for the role of "Obi-Wan Kenobi's granddaughter" (which would've gone to Daisy, with MRS getting a lesser role as a conciliation prize).

I'm putting my droid credits down on Rey and Kylo Ren as the Kenobi / Skywalker duo at the center of this trilogy. Both families are responsible for so much of the Light / Dark conflict stretching across all three trilogies. In other words, Rey as a Kenobi works much better if we think of SW as the story of the Kenobi and Skywalker clans rather than just about the Skywalkers. It's the OT's focus on Luke that makes us think this way, but as many have mentioned, Kenobi is essrntially the hero of the PT, and is Luke's "light" father in the OT opposite Annakin as his "dark" father. SW is ultimately about this duality, which again is why maybe we should think of a dual-family generational saga rather than focused on a single family.

 

While I'm not sure how likely this is, I do think it has merits. If she is not related to Skywalker/Solo then this would be the best possibility and I would not mind it at all.

 

I have heard it before but still an interesting theory. What you are proposing is obviously still possible but extremely unlikely, there is no such thing as a Kenobi clan there is only one Kenobi. The only family that is important in these movies is the Skywalker family. It would be perfectly fine to introduce new characters related to old ones in other media or anthology films but they are never going to be the leads of the main saga.