Official Rey Episode VIII thread

What if she's a force ghost ?!

 

KK wants her to be the untouched chosen one. Furiosa was so amazing in madmax becuase she had so many issues but still remained on the side of good. I think KK will just want to amp up hero power level

-She's naïve, (doesn't sound like a hardened scavenger that deals with liars and trading for a living)
-She's impulsive. (she never once engaged an enemy that wasn't finn on impulse, even that she had a weapon he did not.)
-She has anger issues. (she doesn't get angry even when finn lied, Kylo has anger issues)
-She runs away from her destiny as fast as she can (right her arc in one movie is nearly the same as 2 or 3 for the others even in power level)

The movie definitely set her up for something different. she s already through everything they went through and more. now we get a familial revel and completed training in 8 where do you go from there? Like i have stated she is on track to be too perfect and too powerful later in the movies unless there is a very specific reason for that (i think she needs to be more powerful and not to beat kylo she has already done that). It did seem like she achieved oneness with the force at the end which is different that using the force to make shot. Luke needed it for 2 seconds to pull the trigger she needed it to best an injured but trained force warrior.

Again let me be very clear - not calling her a mary sue (even tho she fails the mary sue test) She could become one if they don't find a way to tone her down going forward but at the moment she is just gifted. To give reference of what i think of when it comes to mary sue - Ripley is my favorite example (but again with her i could argue she didn't start as a mary sue but became one by the 4th movie)

 

Don't get me wrong - I agree with this in a number of ways. The progress of the character was at best jarring, at worst completely contradictory of what we see in the other six films. However, it is what it is so where do we go from here?

I personally don't think her training with Luke will go smoothly. I have a feeling that he might be responsible for her parents death.
I also think that Luke might refuse to help her - and we will see she hasn't really developed but rather been trying to persuade Luke to train her.
I think they will be called out to help the Resistance at some stage and maybe only Rey goes.
Kylo then could tell her what happened to her parents and lay the blame firmly at Luke's feet. This is conflict Rey and I think give Kylo the opportunity to defeat her in battle. Continuing with this speculation, I feel Luke could then step in and save her allowing for the moment Uncle and Nephew face off in some way.
I think Rey will go off on her own at this point and we won't know until IX who she has become.

 

Thanks to movies like hunger games people are no longer a custom to giant time skips from movie to movie. I doubt they will let her roam free. The also ended the first one on going to train so the next one would have to end on a decision. maybe like the end of the 2nd matrix movie. Pinned down no escape two choice fight and die or run and let someone else die.

 

I just feel logically the only place from here for rey to go is dark. If she stays light side the whole time your just repeating OT. And she already throughly smashed kylo. That's game. I feel like if you give her force god status you gotta have plan for it. She would be a better villian than kylo.

 

But why ONLY to go dark/force-God status ?

 

I think she's certainly going to go darker than she is at the end of TFA. She lives in a galaxy of angst.

I wonder if she'll end up rejecting mastery from both Luke and Snoke/Kylo. She's been on her own and looked after herself for so long, in a way that neither Luke nor Anakin had to do when they were young. She is very much her own person, and I can see her rejecting the light/dark absolutist dichotomy.

 

She probably might even just end up rejecting the ways of the Jedi and Sith and all and end up doing freelance security work kind of like Kanam and all in "Rebels..."

 

Because she's already to strong. Kylo isn't a believable threat anymore. And snoke won't come in until episode 9. By which point luke will be gone. So you raise stakes. Dark rey does that well. She is prodigy in the force and stronger than kylo. She also has emotional connection with the resistance. She would make good villian for episode 9.

 

If she is indeed like that . She will be sorry of like Asaj Ventress after she was disavowed by Doolh and Sidiois .

 

So just repeat prequels instead? How boring....

 

I didn't say she had to stay dark. And besides I find it real hard to believe someone out there can stop rey and luke. After seeing kylo fight I'm pretty around the time Luke's academy was destroyed. It wasn't kylo or snoke that defeated luke. Luke probably defeated luke.

 

"Kylo isn't a believable threat anymore?" Yeah no, not true at all. HE'S not fully-formed either, why do people keep forgetting this? We're flat-out told that he's not fully-trained, he was at numerous disadvantages during that final fight, and he was an emotional basket case. And the last that we get of him is Snoke talking about "completing his training." Soy yes, he could very well be a threat in the future.

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-She's developed a survival instinct in one particular situation, because she had to. Doesn't mean that she knows everything about how the universe works. Again, she's the only character in the movie that cannot see through Finn's lies.
-Did you miss where she tried to shoot Kylo, and go knocked out for her trouble? We didn't get many instances of Luke being "naïve" in ANH, yet he clearly is.
-She looked like she was about to cut Kylo's head off during that final duel. The fact that she was wasn't rantng and raving doesn't change that, it's written all over her face. Subtlety, a lost art it would seem.
-No, her arc is basically the same as any "hero's journey." Accept your destiny, and then go get training. Same with Luke in ANH, except that he does that even faster than her.

And no, I simply DO NOT BUY that she's being set up as "too perfect." I'm sorry, I just don't, no one has made a convincing argument for that, she wasn't even perfect in this movie. And no, the same principle DOES apply to Luke in ANH, the context is simply different.

I mean if she does end up being that way, then I'll definitely complain about it. But right now, not seeing it. The argument are too full of holes for me to agree with right now.

 

nope she falls in 8 is redeemed in 9

exactly you would need a yuugsvong type threat to make that believable

pfft she already beat him. he would need the rocky montage of rocky montages to beat her now. especially with luke backing her up

 

There's a big difference between not being fully trained and complete novice. He caught a blaster bolt earlier and yet was still defeated by a novice. And as far as kylo being injured. Remember Vader did not have hands or feet and needed a breathing aparatus. He still beat luke after he trained with yoda. But kylo can't defeat a trooper and a scavenger.

 

If you cannot buy that, then that YOUR fault, not the films. I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous.

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Vader was also a full-on Sith Lord and before that a Jedi, with DECADES of experience. He was also completely in-control of his emotions. Luke, spent like a week training with Yoda, and none of it was lightsaber combat. Also Vader had cybernetic limbs that made him even MORE physically strong and wasn't actively bleeding from an open wound at the time. Two actually.

And that entire line of argument falls apart the moment that you try and compare Vader to Kylo, because they're not comparable. That's the whole point of Kylo's character in fact.

 

You have bested me with sound logic in comparison with Vader and kylo. It doesn't change the fact kylo has been practicingthe dark side 15 years. And was a padawan who knows how long. Rey showed up and won. Those to things dont add up. Speaking of which why didn't kylo stop Chewies bow caster shot like he did poes.

 

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We don't actually know how much lightsaber training Kylo has had honestly. And the whole point is that he's unstable and thus not up to full potential. He actually doesn't do much that's all that impressive with it in the film. And yeah she won, but there's multiple reasons to explain that, and she BARELY won. I just didn't have an issue with it here. As for the bowcaster, well you could say that about a lot of SW character. "Why don't they use their Force abilities in this situation where they would have come in handy." He was distracted by the whole "killing his father" thing, that's what it looked like to me.

And let me be clear, I do respect and understand your opinion. And if she does end up becoming too uber-powerful and without flaws moving forward, then I will certainly complain about it because that would be dumb. It's just that, right now:

-I don't agree with that argument in relation to this movie (and the story is not over anyway).
-I don't think that they'll do that. Everything that's been said about Episode VIII leads me to think that she's headed for a big setback, be it physical, mental/emotional, or otherwise.

But I guess we'll see soon enough.

 

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Alright. I'm not trying to disregard what your saying. But kylo was at least trained. She had none. And as emotional as kylo was. Rey was probably just as bad. Han was dead and Finn was status unknown at that point. She cared about both these people. Going forward training with Luke, I just find it hard to believe she will encounter a threat she can't handle excluding snoke. I just think kylo is too weak. Can't even begin to fathom how he's going to cut Reys hand off.

 

I've never killed my father before, but I would imagine that would make me more emotional and in a state of shock than watching two men I just met die even if I really liked them.