SPECULATION Official Rey's Parents/Family Thread

This product is a bit old news. It would be wise to ignore it. Rey may end up being s Skywalker but you can bet the folks behind this merchandise never got any official word on that.

Similar thing happened with a Finn toy a coupe of months ago. Turns out the info was false.

 

I mentioned the Finn toys in the video as well. Finn Windu *Shakes My Head* =D

 

I seriously doubt the validity of this "spoiler." On its face it looks like they are simply following the "obvious" answer that Rey is a Skywalker. I doubt that Lucasfilm would let it slip out so easily. They probably have more security guarding Episode 8 and 9 then the Pentagon has guarding military secrets.

 

On amazon there was also a "Finn Carlissian" action figure description if I recall properly... so I would say FAAAAAAKE.

 

fake

 

"Decal" is "deckle" if you're English like me.

 

A few minutes ago, I was thinking about Rey and her mystery-parents, and a question popped into mind:

"Was Shmi Skywalker an only child, or did she have siblings?"​

I'm still thinking on it, but thought I'd share this question... see what others think about it...

 

She easily could have, but she was a slave for whoever knows how long...she clearly had a family before (unless she's Part-Huttesse) but I don't think they'd go through all that trouble ...

 

you know what i'm going to spoiler tag this. it's really just, speculation. but right now i'm thinking, it's so obvious now. a little long, but. i find it compelling to say the least. it all just, adds up too nicely. read this and tell me what you think. point out the flaws if maybe i'm missing something. but. this just really seems. at the very least, probable. if not, almost certain. now, toward the end, i throw in a few thoughts about kylo and rey's relationship which may be a little fuzzy but, well. give me your feedback, is this as obvious as it looks to me?

something occurred to me earlier while i was posting in another thread and it sparked something. the thread was about, how 'majority' of people thought luke is her father. so, if that is the case, then there's no twist because it's 'too straight forward' and wouldn't come as a surprise. i replies that, you could have someone like snoke first lie to rey and claim to be her father, then reveal luke as the real father. i said, it's a simple misdirection "look left, look left- surprise comes from right!"... and then as i read those words something popped into my head. "the majority think luke is the father" for, reasons. "look left, look left..." so then it pops into my head, "reasons to look left"; there are "things that 'hint' (perhaps even 'strongly hint') at luke being the father" "look left, look left..." right?

now, why "look left, look left" unless there's an obvious right they don't want us to see coming. because it's so obvious, that they must strongly hint "look left, look left" look at luke, maybe it's luke, surely it's luke, because what could be more obvious?

and that is, rey is han and leia's daughter. rey is a solo. kylo is her brother. that's the obvious. it parallels the two were separated just like luke and leai. to protect rey fron snoke. they put her on jakku far from where snoke couldn't easily sense her. luke went to look for, something; maybe to find a way to 'make things right' because, the grief he feels over what part he had in the destruction of his best friend and sister's family.

leia had to return to the fight because of duty; snoke was not only destroying her family, but the galaxy through her son. han couldn't leave his little girl behind, so he left rey with simon pegg (who probably knows han personally, and han helped him out of some situation and he 'owed him one'), and luke made sure max von sydow watched over her. han left the falcon for rey, maybe by luke's advice, so she could depart jakku "when the force calls her to her path". han "returned to the life of a smuggler" to be in the loop, and keep in range of rey should anything happen, like, if she left the planet on the falcon. which, you know, the falcon is immediately boarded by, han and chewie. almost like they're waiting for her to leave, right?

they are keeping quiet for the same reason everyone kept quiet around luke and leia. why did they not tell luke straight up? "because, not ready for the burden, were you" there you go. apparently you can't tell a jedi that the person they're fighting is family, until after the first duel.

when maz said "...You already know the truth … Whoever you were waiting for on Jakku, they’re never coming back. But there’s someone who still can: Luke." it never set right with me that luke could be her father, because luke is used on opposition to 'whoever'; and this also seems to imply that Han and Leia are not her parents, either. BUT we know how fond the 'point of view' thing comes into play in this.

rey was waiting for her family to come back. her family wasn't coming back for her. even though han was watching over her, max von sydow, simon pegg; her family- the solo family- was gone. destroyed by ben's betrayal. i mean, rey piloting the falcon with chewie. it seems so completely obvious, doesn't it? is there any story problems with this? it just seems so obvious now.

kylo. kylo goes to train with luke before rey is born. he hasn't seen rey since she was little and doesn't recognize her. in fact, her name isn't rey, it's something else he will recognize. luke wiped her memory, and the gave her the name 'rey' so if by any chance kylo or snoke did encounter her, and use a mind-probe, they wouldn't find out who she really was. that's it. that's the reveal. there are two of them.

first rey will be told that kylo is her brother in the next movie. in the last movie, it's rey that gives the reveal to kylo. kylo thinks rey is dead, that was the story to make sure he didn't come looking for her, some staged tragedy perhaps? this devastated kylo because he loved his little sister. perhaps he turned to the dark side TO PROTECT HER by conquering the galaxy and bringing peace? after 'whatever rey's real name is' was 'tragically killed' kylo spirals out of control like anakin over padme. but, brotherly love this time. he perhaps even blamed han solo for his sister's death? so 'rey' dies (or so kylo thinks), han dies, leia will then die (but probably not because of kylo ren, but probably snoke will do something that causes leia's death. probably it will not go down well with kylo, or he may shrug it off with little emotion. he thinks it's done. all gone.)

but then, you guessed it, in the final duel (let's say rey's real name is, padme?) real rough but something like:

"what happened to your sister, padme?"?
kylo laughs. "sentiment. do you really think that will work on me?"
"then tell me"
"why do you want to know?"
"are you afraid?"
"she was killed." kylo slashes furiously in something causing sparks, as rey dodges. "han solo, my 'father' hero of the galaxy. couldn't protect her."
"and that's why you killed him?"
"HER LET HER DIE!" another furious assault, rey is becoming increasingly overwhelmed

then of course after kylo has knocked rey back and is on the offensive, he'll say something in a rage, and about to kill rey and she will have tears and say "ben.. " and kylo will stop cold. and a single tear "i'm padme..."

and that's when tom-toms roll like in Empire and a close up on kylo ren's dazed face.
"it's me, ben. i'm padme..."
"that can't be.."
snoke "kill her"
"it is, search your feelings ben"
"that's impossible..."
snoke "master of the knights of ren"
"ben... please.... help me... "
then snoke will do whatever his version of force-lightning is, probably some kind of black light energy draining or something.
padme, crying "ben... please"
maybe flash of young padme laughing as ben hugs her
snoke "you foolish girl...." *zap energy drain!*
close up on ben's face, torn by the pull of the light
"BEN!" (synced with a young rey's "BEN!")

dramatic heroic music as ben solo throws snoke down a bottomless hole.

ben solo runs to his little sister.

it gives new angle on when kylo says to rey "han solo, the father you never had. he would have disappointed you"

so what do you think?

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oh maybe snoke is the one who tells kylo rey is dead? like sidious told anakin?

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that's probably luke's plan the whole time. luke learns family ties will save, luke knows how much ben loved his little sister. kylo is misguided in his "vaderish" desire to protect his sister, so he is making out to rule the galaxy and bring peace, which the "rebellion" stole since defeating the empire. thus, kylo's "finish what you started" is ruling the galaxy and wiping out the jedi to ensure peace. because vader failed to wipe out the jedi, right? remember sidious said, "have to kill them, or it will be endless civil war" remember?

okay so, luke says 'we fake rey's death, kylo will go nuts, and get closer to snoke. then when rey is of proper age, i force-vision her with the island i'm on, we get her invovled, and she must confront kylo to turn him back, like i did with vader. because kylo's little sister is the only one who can affect him to the point he will come back to the light and destroy snoke. brilliant.

so luke isn't a coward after all. he's a brilliant strategist setting up dominos and watching them fall. it's all by luke's design this time. operation snoke slayer baby! i have a good feeling this is what's up.

 

Following your thoughts it feels like our once little bit naive but bighearted Luke has turned to a kind of cold strategist..,
but that does not imply that parts of your story couldn't work (except the cold game with Rey, given away from Han and Ley). I would go so far to wish that you're right because it's one of the only convincing storylines that leads to Ben's return from the dark side. And for that reason I would be happy if you're right.

 

it's refreshing to see well-thought out, original theories.. not sure where they'll take the characters of rey or kylo, but i could see this working well!

 

some stuff i didn't go into because it's long enough as is. but Luke isn't a "cold strategist"; then of luke as the "anti-palpatine", as it were. luke is very good still, but like qui-gon said to padme "we can protect you, but we cannot fight a war for you". luke skywalker is powerful with the force now, the most powerful. but we find that TRUE power, knowledg of the force, isn't simply guiding a lightsaber, but guiding the galaxy itself; sidious guided it through the dark side into the oppression, through anakin; now luke will guide out of oppression. through rey.

so its like 1-3 sidious takes it downward; destroys jedi
4-6 fight
7-9 luke takes it upward; rebuilds jedi

so what luke is doing is what has to be done. luke has to escape kylo and snoke because if he is killed, rey is lost and can't complete her training. so luke has to make damn sure he is still around when it is time to train padme/rey. this is why he MUST hide- even though he wants to go right into battle, they tell him, or the force tells him, luke you MUST go. if you honor what they fight for- you MUST.

so, luke set the plan in motion that would bring kylo back and destroy snoke, just as it has been done before with vader. luke no doubt, with his kind heart, watched through the force and saw everything that happened. the pain he felt of all the people on the hosnian system. the pain of han being killed. he had to sit in isolation, and just, FEEL it all happening.

so, not a cold strategist, nor a coward. luke skywalker is simply now a more powerful jedi (meaning, now he works in 'bigger things' than just lightsaber fights. i doubt we see luke use a saber in this movie now that i think about the plot here.) and he is doing what has to be done. same with han. han solo did not "regress in character" as i myself mistakenly assumed. han was undercover. his "regression" was simply a cover to make his and leia's "separation" look real, and look like it is the progression of two who lost their children. so it makes 'rey's death' seem like it's legit. they just need everyone to think that, ben's little sister that he loved so much he turned to the dark side to try to protect her from the civil war endlesly raging because of the sith/jedi wars, sadly died long ago....

it's brilliant. not, saying "i'm brilliant" saying the story is brilliant. because, im searching my feelings here and this is just way obvious to me now. what tripped me up the whole time was the misdirection which tried to make me think she wasn't han's kid, and then pointing me toward luke. once the "look left look left!" post i made just, jumped up and connected with "most people are sure luke is the father because..." i realized "father luke" was the "left", and that's when i looked right and went, oh , okay; very clever guys, very nice, very subtle.

and that's why i put spoiler tags because. well, if you read this, now you know how it ends. also, plug in the "tatooine temple" run by "rey and ren" and luke walking away into the binary sunset, in the other post, and there's the ending of episode 9.

 

Thanks specifying your thoughts about Luke, because now I feel much more comfortable following your theory. It would be indeed great if Luke has the wisdom to not following the same path as the old Jedi Order. Yoda himself expressed his doubts about the Jedi getting this much involved in direct confrontation and aggression. Therefore I would love a Luke having all the foresight as you described him...
BUT I am with @FN-3263827 that it's difficult to believe that he Leia and Han should have abandoned Rey like you described..

 

oh my. really?

this is a level of evil unworthy of Palpatine even.

let's totally eff up Ben so we can weaponize him against Snoke, while meanwhile sheltering his little sister by sending her to suffer on a desert planet to later weaponize her against him? they'll be fine in the end; just like Vader was. amazing.

talk about gambling with the universe, first of all. and more importantly, Luke would be a complete monster to do this to children for God's sake.

and no, it's not okay to justify it for some "long-game". look at the murderer Ben has become. look at the killing machine that is the FO.
it's not okay to let billions die just to kill one (Snoke).

if Han and Leia could ever approve of sacrificing their children so deliberately, then Han got what was coming to him on that bridge and i would hope Leia will follow swiftly after.

the Luke i grew up with would never use children like this; not even to save the galaxy.
his refusal to compromise the least bit of principle (ever) was what made him a hero.

sorry, but Luke the "strategist" you describe here deserves to be flung into a sarlacc to rot for a thousand years.

don't mean to be harsh, but wow, this scenario is beyond disturbing.
and i thought what Snoke did to Ben was bad ~ hahaha

 

Id rather leave the Cole strategist type for Leia as Luke has way more depth as a character for that .

 

Don't know.. both of them have good untouchable soul deep in their hearts.. I really hope so...

 

JJ said Leia and Rey have never met, and don't know eachother. Their only connection is that they're both strong in the force.

 

Well besides Leia's feelings for Han and her obligatory feelings for Luke, we've only seen her as a war strategist as witnessed by her refusals for evacuating herself until the last minute seconds before Vader storms the very room himself in which she is in on Hoth in ESB but we see Luke being full of emotion like being happy, sad, excited, things like that .

 

You're right about Leia being tougher outside and also difficult to read.. and we could see much more expressions of emotion on Luke 's face so far

 

Even in TFA she was harder to read than Luke's single stare down with Rey but I mean in that case it would kind of make sense for Rey to be Leia's daughter because they seem to have similar temperaments albeit Rey is more naïve at 19-ish than Leia was at that age .