SPECULATION Official Rey's Parents/Family Thread

i just realized something else.

what we have here, is the question "what if luke skywalker would've turned to the dark side, and his sister leia had to be the one to save the day?" so, in this trilogy, we're exploring that idea. kylo is luke, rey is leia. not twins, but brother and sister. but, they made them different in age, so that ben would have the natural love and desire to protect his little sister. that what big brothers do. the overly protect their little sister.

"that boy was our only hope..." "no, there is another"

this trilogy is exploring that idea.

remember, luke didn't know about leia being his sister, until well after. they 'hid' leia from luke, not only physically, but mentally, as well. so if luke turned, they had a fall back in leia. just like they've hidden padme from kylo, not only physically, but mentally as well.

but yeah, this is basically a trilogy where luke turned to the dark side, and leia has to save the day. this is brilliant. anyone reading this should see by now that i'm not writing this stuff, and take no credit when saying 'brilliant'. i just happened to look right

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also just, think about the inversion here. think about the ESB duel with luke being the one with the knowledge, and vader not knowing he has a son. and luke is fighting vader the whole time knowing vader is his father, but vader not knowing luke is his son.

then luke gets his hand cut off, crawls out on the ledge, and says "sidious never told you about your son" "he told me, kenobi killed my son" "no. I AM YOUR SON!"

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http://www.vox.com/2015/12/18/10513896/star-wars-the-force-awakens-rey-luke

The evidence in support of Rey being Han and Leia's kid

For approximately the first hour of The Force Awakens — and especially once Han and Chewbacca enter the story — the movie seems to be working so hard to make you think Rey is Han's daughter that you're waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Consider: She grew up right near the Millennium Falcon, which has been sitting in a junkyard for years. When it comes time to pilot it, she's almost instantly great at doing so, even though it's a cantankerous old machine. And once Han and Chewie are on board, she and Han strike up precisely the type of relationship you'd expect from an estranged father and daughter. They even say the same things at the exact same time.

The film ladles it on even more heavily from there. Kylo Ren (who turns out to be Han's son who broke bad) sneers at Rey and taunts her by teasing that Han is the father she never had, and the film later contrives a way to have Rey watch as Han is killed by Ren. (Also: Rey/Ren could suggest a sibling connection.) The best reason to do any of this is so the movies can eventually reveal that Rey is Han and Leia's daughter and pay off the emotional beats they're setting up here. Except...

The evidence against Rey being Han and Leia's kid

don't you think they would remember having a daughter who was apparently taken from them and abandoned on a desert planet? (It seems out of character for Han and Leia to abandon a child themselves.) Any theory that suggests Rey is their child has to get around this pretty huge central fact. If she is, Han and Leia just don't remember her.

oops. forgot the line "not ready for the burden were you" and so...

Once Rey discovers Luke's old lightsaber around The Force Awakens' midpoint, the film shifts to trying to convince us she might be his kid...

SHIFTS... forget about the right; now look left, look left, look left, look left aaaaaaaand: SURPRISE FROM RIGHT! gotcha!

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honestly at this point if you're reading this and still can't see the glaringly obvious, then there's inch-thick cataracs on your eyes

 

okay, again, i'm saying, this is what's happening. you can expect it. but it will be what happens. she's his sister, and he thinks she's dead. and the reveal that his sister is what redeems him. to me, i can clearly see it like daylight. the details are fuzzy, and i was asking for discussion on that issue, maybe bringing things into focus. but yes, not interested in discussion on 'why han is a monster if this is true' or 'why i want it to be something else' i couldn't care less about what others 'want it to be'- the reason i put "spoilers" in the title, is because i'm saying, this is what is happening. this is the basic story. she is his sister. he does not know it. she will know it before him. she will reveal it to him during the final duel as he is about to kill her.

but look. okay many of you are apparently not able to see what i'm saying is clearly obvious. so let's make a wager, an interesting wager. "disagree" and "don't see it" as much as you want; and if it's different than what i'm saying, then i'm wrong, and you can, exile me or whatever.

BUT as the time comes, and you're slowly going "okay, this is going exactly as he said it would" and when the last movie comes out, and you see that scene in the OP playing out. you all stand up, come back here, and say "we now agree that you apparently have the ability to see things before they happen; we agree that it is possible that you are, in fact, luke skywalker, and we agree to become your padawans." you at least have to say "you saw it before it happened, somehow you're like a jedi". deal?

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the point being if it comes to this level of obstinance, then i'm calling you on it. i'm using the obstinance against you. because if it's really as unclear as others are making it out to be, and if it is what happens- then somehow i clearly saw what is what really unclear to these others, true? i must then have jedi traits because i'm seeing the thing before it happens when apparently it's not able to be seen.

 

Well, first of all, why so offensive? This started to be a friendly conversation with arguments, not the battle of Verdun... Maybe this will turn out to be the case, but maybe not. If you dont want to argue why post it at all?

How was the fate of the Galaxy on Rey and Luke? Answer me this before anything. The Empire was just destroyed. Snoke maybe started to take his actions, but at that point he would've 100% lost against the Republic and the Resistance. They were fleeing, they were licking their wounds. Its not the empire era again, the fate of the Galaxy wasnt in danger at all untill the events of TFA when they first (and last) used Starkiller base. Without that the Republic's fleet would just come destroy them.

Many of the writings in the prequels were very questionable, but not that act. Qui-gon knew Anakin will win as Wattoo said it later. He felt it.

Complaints and nitpick about what? This is just a theory (and not a very good one to be honest). There is nothing to nitpick about. Only pointing out its many flaws and contradictions.

Lucas is retired. He does not work, nor does he want to. He is living the well deserved life now.

I told you before and its in the novelisation. Snoke and the FO werent direct danger to the Republic untill the events of TFA.

Ben Solo was around 15-17 when he turned, so it wasnt 30 years. And btw after two death stars were destroyed and Sidious along with Vader died its pretty much over for a very long time.

She did not say Unkar told her. She just knows it. This is already a point where your theory falls apart. Han was searching for the Falcon after it was stolen from him. He did not come up with those obnoctious lies.

To protect Rey by pretending he dosent know her, even then when the FO started to take actions. He is the best actor in the whole Galaxy then.

Padme? You are really starting to see to much into this. Well, she didnt need to grow up with him, just take her away when she is like 12.

In episode 4 he lived with his loving relatives and Obi-wan was directly watching over Luke next to him. And it wasnt that dangerous to live on the moisture farm. If he dosent do anything stupid, nothing will happen. Luke said it was rather boring to live on Tatooine.
Living on a dumpster with slavers and space pirates as a small girl, not knowing anyone is a lot more dangerous.

What the fck are you talking about? Me hating Star Wars? Its not hypocrisy, its just pointing out the flaws of a stupid theory which is not part of the movies (and 99,99% that it will not be either).

??? Episode 4 when he went back for Luke? Episode 5 when he rushed to save Luke in life-dangerous cold? Episode 7 when he rushed to save his son, and confronted him on SK base? What movies were you watching?

Its not terrible, it just contradicts with everything in TFA. If your theory is true (but its not, obviously) than everything Han Solo said and did in TFA was a lie, which is not going to be the case. If Rey turns out to be a Solo, than Han and Leia did not know it was Rey, thats for sure.

*edit.
,, the reveal that his sister is what redeems him."
Why can't she be his cousin? Whats the difference then? Its not like they've grown up together or know each other. Why would revealing her as his sister redeem him? He even killed his father...
I think with that deed JJ and Kasdan showed us the last part of his full transformation to the dark side.
Only knowing his sister lives will not redeem him after that.
Oh, and besides when he read Rey's mind on the Star destroyer, he would've discovered what kind of relation they were in. I rather think if they are in a relation Kylo knows it, and wants to hide it from Snoke.

 

it's because you're not following the point of view; what i mean is, trust me, there is zero 'ill will' or 'directly offensive' statements being made by me. i'm just looking at the picture and drawing conclusion based on what i'm seeing, just, unbiased naked information. so if i'm commenting on what the writers seem to be saying, to the audience, through the movie, and if the writers are writinbg the story to say a message like "you fanboys are an offensive group of hypocrites" that is not me, saying that to you, that is me saying, it is looking to me that this is what the writers are saying to the fanboys. trust me, if you're reading anything other than, "information" then the emotion is all in your court.

also, when a reply is something like "they would never hide the child" over and over, as i keep responding, the same "there's no choice just like the previous stories" and keep getting the same "they would never hide the child"; then my answers will naturally become more and more, curt. because, it's becoming a waste of my time. and not "curt" as in "i'm trying to offend you" but curt as in "i'll try making it shorter"

to see if there was some obvious flaw i completely missed. i mean, a real flaw, not "luke's a monster for [doing what ben and yoda did]"; also to provide more focus in the details, if someone knew something that would make the fuzzy parts clearer. but, really, the main reason was, to get it off my chest because, we are all looking left, so naturally when i look to the right because of the glimmer, i see padme solo standing there and naturally want to go "oh oh guy guy it's padme look look look!"

honestly though. let me break here for a minute and say, i do have this weird, "bad" feeling now. like i spoiled this great ending. that was my dilemma when i made this thread. i wrote "spoilers" specifically so i could say 'you voluntarily clicked; i'm clean' no foul. but when i was typing it i thought "people will click on this because they'll think it can't possibly be spoilers for real. not this soon. then, they'll read it and realize at some point, that it's true, and the end is spoiled." so, i kind of feel bad because, now when i think "i warned them, i said spoilers, they clicked on it, it was their choice" theres another voice that says "yeah but they couldn't have known. it was too soon." damn it. i also get this image of the cast like, looking over at me like "i cant believe you just spoiled the surprise". well what did they expect me to do just bottle it up? yeah right. i guess maybe, contain it. maybe just. delete the thread and forget about it? we all go back to pretending we don't know? that's kind of, meta-movie like. keeping the secret along with the characters in the movie. that's kind of neat. should we do that? i don't know. i've been on a bunch of forums, too. damn it. well, in the end, i did put "spoilers" so, i don't think i could be blamed.

because luke had no students anymore. how is it you're asking, why are luke and rey the key to the fate of the galaxy? ben solo has turned, snoke is here. at this point ben "that boy was our only hope" is down, and rey "there is another" is up. if rey loses, the galaxy loses. you're asking "how is the fate of the galaxcy in the hands of the last jedi and the only person who can become a jedi and have a chance to turn ben back"

10 years after it was destroyed, it wasn't just destroyed. there's 30 years between movies.

then explain why the resistance exists. if there was "no danger" why does the resistance exist? did the resistance just, pop into existence right before rey left jakku? or was the resistance around before the events of the movie started? when was the resistance formed, and why?

things like "it's dumb to put the hidden child with his family" then take the family from the hidden child "it's dumb that the hidden child is not with the family"- anyone reading that can see the blatant hypocrisy. this is not me "being offensive" this is me stating the facts. now, that's not to say that the hypocrite won't find the facts, offensive- but that's not about the facts, or the person speaking the facts; that's all about the hypocrite.

see this is the part where you think i'm interested in hearing what you "think else they could do". not interested at all in that. especially as some strange form of self-perceived "rebuttal"; the rest of your post is just the same "i would just do it this other way". not interested in that. feel free to make a thread called "this is how i would do the ending" because, this isn't the one for you.

the thing is, it's not about being "magnanimous". i'm actually kind of, astonished that everyone is completely going "oh blast you spoiled it; damn you" or "damn didn't see it coming". it seems to me very clear, though. so clear that- if it is right, then there can only be two possiblities:

everyone else commenting the can't see it is average insight, and i'm a jedi in comparison to the average insight

which is why i said "you have to call me a jedi" because if i'm right, then that means i've forseen what the average man cannot perceive at all. it's clear to me. so i am above insight to the ones that can't see it. thus, have to call me a jedi if it's right. because theres only one other way to look at it:

i'm just an average guy with average insight who just happened to look left, and saw the clear picture through average insight by looking back at what i was being directed away from. but if i'm only an average guy with average insight, and i saw what others here coulodn't see; and i being, average insight, and then, those who couldn't see what i clearly see, must then be...?

point is you're going to have to call me a jedi if i'm right. because that's the NICE way, the jedi way. because if i'm not a jedi, then, others who can't see are... and "sith" is not the word we're looking for this time.

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also about "padme solo" i said, i don't know if her name will be padme; but, giving her that name would create some resonating parallels so it seems super likely. ban and padme. padme amidala, anakin; saving padme, protecting padme, hurting padme, padme dies, padme saves. how could you not go that way?

 

well now we know that REy and leia never met so no she is not a solo child and no she is not Lukes Liea would have known her. and this was coming from jj. Rey and Liea never met. and besides if Liea is strong with the force I think she would have figured out Rey was Lukes daughter.

 

You are missing like dozens of factors there. Rey was around 8 years old when that happened and Luke was like 38-42. How is waiting for one single underaged girl to grow up (Far away, alone in danger without friends, guidance whatsoever. She might aswell have just turned to the dark side without Snoke as feeling her family betrayed her, or just die when the FO almost shot her and Finn. Where was Unkar to help her there? And besides in one of the deleted scenes Unkar actually follows Rey to get back the Falcon, so that also tears your theory apart) good for anyone?

Luke could've just started looking for other students. Why wait like 12 years for one grl to grow up? Luke could've just go and take care of the business himself. Borrow a couple of fleets from Leia and voilá. There was no Empire, the Republic was in power then, remember? Rey was on Jakku for different reasons thats for sure.

Actually it was around 16-18 years. Or do you think Ben was 10 years old when he annihilated the Jedi Order with the leading of Luke? In that case you have been drinking too much cactus juice.

You said Kylo wanted to protect Rey from something before Snoke turned him. What was he trying to protect her so desperately then? The Resistance was most likely formed after Ben turned and the FO started to take actions.

Yes, its pretty dumb. Growing up and live your life on a farm with your uncle, and living your life alone on a dumpster taken away from the family is pretty different.

How is redoing the plot of the prequels a good way? Can't you feel the biggest complain about TFA was that it recycled too much from the previous movies?
Its a sequel trilogy, not the prequels rebooted. Gees...

And btw nice job on deliberately dodging all the contradiction within TFA and your theory in my last comment. I will repost them if you have any arguments to those aswell:
How is Han pretending not to know Rey when the first order started to take actions any good for her? How is that in accordance with Han's character?

About the Falcon:
She did not say Unkar told her. She just knows it. This is already a point where your theory falls apart. Han was searching for the Falcon after it was stolen from him. He did not come up with those obnoctious lies.

,, the reveal that his sister is what redeems him."
Why can't she be his cousin? Whats the difference then? Its not like they've grown up together or know each other. Why would revealing her as his sister redeem him? He even killed his father...
I think with that deed JJ and Kasdan showed us the last part of his full transformation to the dark side.
Only knowing his sister lives will not redeem him after that.
Oh, and besides when he read Rey's mind on the Star destroyer, he would've discovered what kind of relation they were in. I rather think if they are in a relation Kylo knows it, and wants to hide it from Snoke.

when Rey was abducted noone seemed to care about it besides Finn, remeber? They originally just wanted to blow up SK base and leave. It was Finn who revealed he came only for Rey. Also, during the preparing scene noone mentioned Rey, not Leia, not Han, not anyone.

When Han and Rey met on SK base even then he didnt care at all. Seriously even there he is still lying and acting like he dosent know her? Sorry but Han does not know Rey. Its so obvious. And besides JJ already said Leia and Rey never met before TFA. As I said, if Rey is a Solo, neither Han nor Leia knows about it we know that from TFA.

 

Luke, Vader, and Leia were all running around not recognizing each in Star Wars (1977). They've replicated that dynamic in Episode VII by design. In Episode IV, Luke was told that his father was dead. In the next episode, poof! He's alive as Darth Vader.

Episode IV
Darth Vader (father villain)
Luke (son/brother hero)
Leia (daughter/sister hero)
Padme (offscreen dead mother hero)

Episode VII
Kylo Ren (son/brother villain)
Rey (daughter/sister hero)
Han (father hero)
Leia (mother hero)

Mark Hamill: (32m23s) It's clear that they don't really want you to know what [Rey's] background is or where she came from. <gestures> I saw the parallels. I thought, well she's living in the desert sort of aimlessly and I saw the parallels with my character and so forth. But, um... and heritage is so important in the Star Wars films, you know. I mean we didn't realize it at the time, the whole thing that Vader's the father and so forth. And when Return of the Jedi came along - 'cause George always made it seem like he had all of these mapped out in his head - and then when I read that Leia and I were long separated twins, I said, 'ain't no way - wait a minute. Is he trying to top Vader - that he's dad Vader? I mean, come on.' 'Cause I thought, if anything, let's go for broke - let's have them unmask Boba Fett and it's my long lost mother, you know, who is working for the Resistance as a double agent. It's hard to top Vader-is-the-father - that's the all-time twist ending of them all. So we sort of thought, 'did he tack that on?' I mean we couldn't really figure that out.

https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....ence-for-and-against.9114/page-26#post-263131

J.J. Abrams: The thing about Star Wars is everyone who has seen these movies thinks, you know, “I am your father.” It’s one of the first things you think about. And, “There is another.” And moments like that. But when you think about those big moments and then you stop and go, oh, neither of those things were in Star Wars. You know, Star Wars didn’t say that Luke was the son of Vader. Star Wars didn’t say that Leia was the sister of Luke. You didn’t really understand what these references were. The Empire, dark times, Clone Wars. There are these things that are discussed that don’t get explained. It was Episode IV. You know, George, among the unbelievable list of brilliant things he did, dropped you into a story and respected you and said, “You will infer everything necessary to understand exactly what you need to know.” And that’s what we tried to do with this. We knew we were going to have a moment when Snoke was going to say to Ren, “Your dad’s in the picture.” Can this movie actually also hold, you know, “And Rey is this and Finn is that and this is where Poe…”? It was one of those things, and again it speaks to your restraint...Look, this is the first, this is an opportunity of a lifetime to write a movie that is the first of a series, and there is a story to be told. And it will be. But this movie, it felt like “the droid is in the hands of your father, Han Solo” was probably the one real revelatory familial piece we could get away with.

http://www.wga.org/content/default.aspx?id=6130

People need learn how to parse the words of politicians who are hiding things (because Abrams said he knows exactly who Rey's parents are and so has Ridley).

"Rey" never met with Leia before because "Rey" didn't exist then. She had a different name. Let's pretend her birth name was Anna. Anna and Leia knew each other before Anna "died" and became Rey of Jakku with repressed memories.

Also, technically, that was "Rey" and Leia's first meeting within the confines of the movie. Han and Leia's first meeting is on Takodana within the confines of the movie, for example.

Since "Rey" wasn't directly revealed to be anyone's child in the The Force Awakens (whether her parents are newcomers Susie Sue and Billy Bob or legacy Leia and Han), but that doesn't mean that she won't be revealed to be in the future. Ridley was only addressing TFA when she made that claim.

Let's also look at TFA in the meta-sense. It's the story of Leia searching for and waiting for her family to come back, as introduced in the opening crawl. "Rey" isn't the only one waiting for the return of her family.

 

okay look, this is perfect. you want to see star wars 7-9 in a nutshell here it is (this is the final duel ending in e9). watch this as a metaphor where ( audio desribes the three movies of the trilogy; visual showing end of e9 duel). make sure to watch the whole video, because after the e9 duel, luke explains why people have so much trouble seeing the obvious. it's a perfect metaphor of this very thread.

canary/little girl = rey
michael caine = luke skywalker
christian bale = ben solo

the pledge = the magician shows you something oridinay. rey. "i'm no one"
the turn = the magician takes the oridnary thing, and makes it EXTRAORDINARY "you are the galaxy's only hope to save your brother; that's why would made you disappear"
the prestige = "kylo, i'm padme- i'm BACK!" ben "so am i"

but you wouldn't clap yet. because making padme disappear is not enough to save ben. you have to bring her. back.

 

Look, at this point I'm going to do something special for you. I'm going to answer all your question one at a time. We'll go through them, and when you've shown you can comprehend what I'm saying, and understand your question is answered; we'll move on to the next. You'll be surprised at how fast you pick it up.

Okay so this question, how is it good for anyone to wait for the hidden child to grow up. Okay, how was it good for Obi-Wan to wait for Luke to grow up? It's the same thing. No one has a problem with Kenobi waiting for Luke to grow up. No one has a problem with Yoda not going out looking for padawans. Given, that we've already seen this before in the OT; the Jedi waiting for the hidden child to grow up; why are you right here and now making a problem out of it? I'm saying, that it does the galaxy good by waiting for the hidden child to grow up because she's the only hope of saving her big brother.

So, is the OT dumb? Is the story stupid, now? Because, what good does it do anyone waiting for the hidden child to grow up? Or is the OT story fine, and it's your question that is actually hypocritical nitpicking? You tell me, Tarkin.

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https://www.quora.com/What-are-all-...-between-Episode-6-and-Episode-7-in-Star-Wars

is this accurate? who can tell me?

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i'm reading this page on quora, and if this is even remotely accurate all you guys saying it was "peace and prosperity" after endor don't know what you're talking about.

 

it's speculative based on a few known facts from new canon sources and a presumption of what happens when you have this kind of political upheaval.
then it seems like it goes right off the rails with Hux and Snoke entirely.

so no, it's not accurate, first of all.

and secondly, i don't think anyone ever said it was "peace and prosperity" as if nothing but rainbows and kittens were being handed out across the galaxy.
it just wasn't Galactic War, it was an era of reconstruction.
to make a crude parallel: the American Civil War ended in 1865.
but on a lot of levels, we're still fighting it in America in 2016, even though it's been more than 150 years since it technically ended.

 

yeah so, reading this it's crystal clear why ben solo turned, to protect padme. from terrorism. i'm sure at one point "there's been a event on your homeworld" kylo "padme? is she, safe?" snoke "it seems your sister did not survive" NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

that is when ben died, and in his mind "i told han solo she wasn't safe. i warned han solo but he wouldn't listen. i warned my mother the republic was a group of bickering delgates unable to take action against the enemy. luke skywalker and his pacifist knowledge drivel. it wasn't quick enough, he was slowing me down. so i had to be the one to do it. i had to be the one to make things safe for padme. and now, she's gone. i told him he couldn't protect her. and now. gone. han solo. you will pay with your life for your failure."

see in the last duel rey is going to be going "if only your sister could see you now" and kylo will be saying "i was trying to protect her" as he tries to kill rey. "your sister would say you were a monster" "my sister.." "padme would say she needed protection from you" "padme is dead!" "I'M PADME!"

and that is when snoke's eyes pop open "kill her!" "look what snoke has done to you!" "kill her now!"

man this is going to be awesome.

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so there's really just a few known facts? like what? if there's just a few known facts, how are you saying it isn't accurate? do you mean to say, not certain? not canon? i'm trying to figure out why i was being asked questions about, "what would ben want to protect his sister from?" as if there was peace or something. the way history works, i know people saying "it must have been stable and peaceful" are wrong, and don't know history. i'm pretty sure the writers are going for a kind of historical parallel in the politics.

so basically, should be clear to why ben wanted to make things safe for his sister. same reason anakin wanted to make things safe for his wife. it's already been established as the theme.

then what is the problem understand why ben desired to protect his sister in the same way anakin decided to protect his wife? or, is that "problem" with the story now disappeared?

okay are you able to provide me canon sources for what you're saying there? because, if not, then... you must be... well; let's not go there. I'm sure you wouldn't just, completely discredit whoever wrote that on quora as "inaccurate speculation based on few known facts" only to turn around and try to push your own "speculation based on few known facts" on me like it's, not made-up? Because you know what they call that, when you do what you accuse other people of doing? But, again, completely trusting in you that you're not that. So, could you point me to the "facts" so I can make sure, just for sake of posterity, that you're not just, you know...

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almost forgot about that one. lol right, I know; but my keyboard is trash so I just type and if the cap doesn't press it don't press. Trust me I wish it were easier.

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i can also say, surely, that, some of you might be going "oh i don't see it" "don't like it" but bear in mind, there's a lot more we don't know that's going to factor into the information. not to mention the filimng, the actors in the scene bringing it to life. this is going to be, probably the most fulfilling redemption scene if not even better than RotJ.

because hre, ben actually has a wholley believable reason to suddenly turn, whereas vade, he did have a good reason to turn; but not as much as the bad guy suddenly seeing the thing he loved the most "reappear" before his very eyes, and biengg the catalyst of immediate transformation.

there won't be a dry eye in the joint. i just can't wait now.

 

Buddy, I love some of your ideas and I don't think they are as absurd as they seem, but you need to stop barking at people and being confrontational. It's making you look insane. Calling Rey by your randomly assigned name doesn't help either lol

 

ben is a kid filled with fear living in a galaxy in a state of political turmoil, and random terror attacks. the galaxy is in a state of "constant civil war" just as palpatine predicted should the sith fail to eliminate all the jedi.

ben- like most older brothers- loves his little sister more than anything; he's portective of her to a fault, and is afraid of losing her. he gets constantly frustrated at the lack of action being taken by the "useless and corrupt" senate of the republic. he gets angrier and angrier the more helpless he feels to protect his sister.

this is when snoke takes note. the boy has much vader in him. snoke is looking for the offspring of the chosen one to use like sidious used anakin. snoke knows this old trick (maybe snoke is some kind of "palpatine dark force ghost?") so he waits until he can get to ben in secret. then, snoke can manipulate ben's love into a weapon of destruction.

ben, angrier than ever at "weak and useless republic", leia sends ben to luke. ben is furious that they're sending him away from his sister, but to no avail. as much as luke tries, ben's fears just continue to grow. "you have to learn to, let go, Ben. Fear of loss- that's the path to the dark side." but ben doesn't hear Luke. all he can think about is his sister, far away. without him. unprotected. vulnerable.

one day, Luke leaves for some business, and leaves ben. while Luke is gone, snoke shows up. "I can help you make the galaxy peaceful, for the safety of your sister. learn the ways of the dark side" "what must i do?" Ben kills all Luke's students at snokes command. then leaves with snoke, to make the galaxy safe for his sister.

in the meantime, luke arrives, sees what ben has done. returns to han and leia with the news. now rey is in real danger, and is now the galaxy's only hope. kylo can never find her. they take her and leave quickly. snoke's plan is to kill ben's sister in a "terror incident", causing him to further go black. then, killing han solo will take him farther. and the end of leia, will make snoke believe that no one can turn ben back after that.

so the "incident" occurs, and luke, leia and han use it as a cover for rey's death. so, rey has died in the terror attck staged by snoke to eliminate his family, especially his sister. ben pretty much dies at the news. both his parents survived, but, his little sister didn't.

so everything thinks ben's sister is gone for good.

so now han solo is seen running around with this desert girl from jakku. luckily no one ever told rey who she really is, because kylo captures her, and mind-probes her. what he gets is "han solo, the father you never had". so if han solo is the father this girl "never had", then obviously ben doesn't have a clue who this girl is. she's got the force, whoever she is, but that's all he knows.

so, snoke now thinks he's got another possible learner. snoke decides, he's going to pit the two against one another, as the old Sith ways go, and whoever wins, takes their place by his side to rule the galaxy. so as far as snoke is concerned, he has won. ben solo is gone with his little sister who died in the terror incident years ago.

snoke brings the girl and tries to turn her, thus the final duel begins, as snoke eagerly watches; antipipating which of the two will make the better puppet for his control of the galaxy. they banter words, kylo and rey. snoke is loving it. everything is going according to plan until those two fateful words

"I'm Padme!" *echo* padme.. padme.. padme..

snoke breaks into a cold sweat, and suddenly not smiling any more.

it'll probably be revealed, "snoke is the one who tried to kill me" "he tried to kill me to turn you"

"luke rescued me! dad protected me! you're the villain! you're the monster!"

kylo looks crossway at snoke "you said she was dead"
"ben, you know the thing about point of view"
"you. you tried to kill her"
"'kill' is a strong word, kylo"
"ben"
"yes, ben- of course"
"i'm going to kill you right now"
"ben my boy, please- why quibble about who decieved who?"

maybe, though, ben doesn't just kill snoke. maybe, both rey and ben then fight snoke? like, snoke is trying to turn rey, and instead rey turns the tables, turns ben; and now the two confront snoke for the big showdown? maybe luke shows up? whoa wouldn't that be cool?

think; luke skywalker spends all of his time in the next movies not even igniting a lightsaber. just teaching rey "that burden is now yours, and i will help you to bear it". so everyone is like "great i guess no luke lightsaber" but then at the end, after ben comes back, luke shows up.

that would be pretty cool rey with the blue saber, ben with the red, and luke with the green. that would be pretty damn awesome if you ask me.

 

@dre4mth1ef if you disagree with someone's post, use the "DISAGREE" button. These posters are not "trolling" in any way.

 

oh am I the confrontational one? weird. like, i just now am replying to you for the first time. you've not made a peep here at all until now. and you roll in and say "you need to stop being confrontational, you look insane". right? because, you're not the confrontational one, right? you're just the guy chiming in to "give orders" and "call names"

because if "you need to stop" and "you look insane" aren't "giving orders" and "calling names", then what is right?

so, i've done absolutely nothing whatsoever to you. and you've "lectured" me, and "called me names", right? which makes you, a... what does that make you? It's called a hypocrite, right?

see what is really happening here is that, i just wanted to share this, and discuss it to bring it into more focus if possible.

firsts two posts were great. third post was FN whateverhisname, completely twisting everything i said. so, i tried to explain his misunderstanding. nope, not good enough; now he starts using loaded epithets. now here comes tarkin ready to ask all his questions. so, i answer his. then, the same questions, again and again. then the "that's stupid" "that makes han a monster for doing what already happened before" yadda yadda wonk wonk

guys with nothing better to do, than cause trouble and hypocritically nitpick. don't tell me they want to have a disussion. people who wants to have a discussion don't incessantly repeat the same questions over and over and over. so, who's being confrontational?

what you're actually see if a guy dealing with troublemaking hypocrites. kind of imagine a guy standing there talking to his friend, and you walk up and say "hey you look insane", and then the guy knocks your teeth down your throat; you crawl over to me and say "why's he so confrontational" and i just laugh because i know how assinine your words really are.

are you getting the picture now? coming into focus for you? need more?

it's not randomly assigned. lol

uh, yes they are. you're telling me that repeating the same questions over and again after i answer them isn't trolling? asking me "what would ben need to protect her from?" and i say "from the turmoil and strife going on in the galaxy" and get the response "there was no danger" (which is a lie, since I've now found out that the galaxy after endor did not restore peace, so this guy just lies to me); then FN comes in to tell me "no that's not accurate" then, makes stuff up and tries to pass it off?

no, that's not trolling huh? why don't you just point me to the definition of trolling on the forum so i can know when to say a person is trolling my thread. could you do that for me, mod? just so i know you're not also just trying to troll me, too? whatever man:

mod edit Rieekan: How about keeping it friendly..

mod edit ZebroGodilla: Yes, being long-winded isn't helping your argument.

 

"troll
verb
make a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them."

This is not what the members were doing, as @Trevor has already pointed out.

 

Well first, this was only one of the many questions I posted. What about the rest? As for my ability to comprehend things, I have a physics degree so trust me, I have to understand way more compliacated things for my daily basis than you half-assed theory.
And again, how is pointing out the flaws on your theory hypocritical nitpicking? Its not part of the movies, so its not like im nitpicking about why havent Qui-gon just hired a pilot on Tatooine to take them to Coruscant... Its just pointing out the flaws of your theory. This is the reason why you posted it right?

Second, you havent answered it. Just did a pretty inadequate comparsion to the originals. In the originals the jedi were all in hiding from the Empire, get it? They were hunting for the remaining ones. The New Republic and the Resistance were stronger than the FO, understood? The Republic was enslaved, it was an open dictatorship, the jedi were almost all exterminated and those who survived had to flew and hide. Its not the same situation in Luke's jedi academy. A student turned against them and killed them off (well, at least this is what we were told yet), but the Republic was still free, its fleet could easely crush the FO at that point. Luke had no reason just to decide not to do anything and wait for like 13 years for one single girl to grow up alone in a very dangerous dumpster planet teared away from her family... That would be not just stupid, but advanced stupid.
And btw why would they redo the story of the prequels with different characters? Why the fck would they do such thing?

And third, many of the expanding and contradictive writings in the OT comes from the fact that Lucas had no idea back then that he will do 2 more movies and later a prequel trilogy (he stated this multiple times), as many declared doom to Star Wars even from the cast before it was even released.
Originally the whole story supposed to be different. Leia was not Luke's sister, she was a couple of years older than him. Vader was not supoosed to be neither Luke's nor Leia's father (its painfully clear fom Uncle Oven's dialogues), and Yoda did not even exist. All those ideas were added later.
But this time the writers have no budget problems, and they deliberately planned for at least 3 episodes.