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SPOILER Official TLJ Snoke Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by DarthPilkington, Jun 21, 2016.

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Is Andy Serkis Even In This Movie??

  1. duh...

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  2. no, he's been recast

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  3. no, and neither is Snoke

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  4. only the mystery box knows for sure...

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  1. Protocol Droid

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    I'm intrigued by this insight from the recent EW interview with Serkis about Snoke:

    What's being called out here is a personal, vindictive motivation for orchestrating the First Order to destroy the Republic/Resistance -- not just a lust for power. This, coupled with the frequent mentions of Snoke being accustomed to a kind of aristocratic opulence, makes me wonder if Snoke hates republics in general because they undercut the power structure from which he came.

    For example...

    What if Snoke was part of a ruling family many many centuries ago, before the rise of the Old Republic? What if through the formation of that Republic, his family's power was usurped and Snoke was left badly damaged? What if the remnants of Snoke's family, or just Snoke (assuming his family was killed), retreated to the unknown regions, committed to mastering the dark side in order to rehabilitate and take back the power that was taken from him? What if it took him this many centuries of rehabilitation and study, until he finally began to "call" to the emperor, and lure the remnants of the First Order to him?

    Bonus what if: what if Rian Johnson's new trilogy will focus on this ancient, transitional time period when Snoke's family fell and the Republic rose to power?
     
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    Great thoughts. I don't know how much Rian will explore Snoke though or his background.
     
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    From what's been said, it sounds like Snoke's background won't be explored in detail. But it only takes a couple of sentences to allude to Snoke having come from a family that once ruled the galaxy, and will rule again...
     
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    Really interesting thoughts here, thanks for posting them! :)

    Personally, I think that Snoke might be of the belief that the Jedi, and their relationship with the Republic, are the real catalyst for the ongoing conflict in the known galaxy.

    Likewise, recently reading Bloodline again before seeing TLJ, I came across an interesting passage about a legend: Leia says that the Amaxine race were warriors first and foremost, going so far as to trade weaponry and armour as their currency, but retreated from the known galaxy to the Unknown Regions around the dawn of the Galactic Republic (~25,000 years prior to ANH), which also coincided with what is generally accepted as the time when the Jedi first became keepers of peace and protectors of the Republic.

    Perhaps an undocumented war, hidden by the Jedi Order and/or the Republic, against the Amaxines is what drove them into the Unknown Regions, which could then also weave into your (excellent) idea that Snoke is out for personal vengeance?
     
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    Rogue One ends literally minutes from ANH and takes place only days before it. Tarkin is the main Imperial in ANH putting in some random Imperial doesn’t make much sense unless recreating Tarkin couldn’t have been done. Sure it limits the scope of the galaxy but that is what happens when you create a story that takes place directly before one in the timeline. You are handcuffed some with the story you can tell because it has to fit with the previous told story.
     
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    If they really needed to have a familiar face from ANH they should have used Conan Antonio Motti. His enthusiasm in ANH makes him the logical choice for personally being involved in the construction of the Death Star, not Tarkin. Anyways, they could have simply been referenced by other characters or only been used in the film in form of short holo messages. The problem is that everyone seems to be involved personally in all the important events which makes the universe appear small.
     
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    Andy Serkis: “Snoke is bloody dark; way darker than Palpatine. He’s riddled with this osteoporosis so his body’s twisted, like a corkscrew. He’s incredibly damaged, so there’s a bizarre vulnerability about him. Beneath that vulnerability, though, is this intense hatred.” “He’s definitely not a Sith, but he’s certainly at the darker end of the Force. Without giving too much away, that begins to unfold a little in [The Last Jedi].” (November 29, 2017)
     
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    it was
     
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    Yeah and He was amazing. Everything in the throne room.
     
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    Ok. I don't mind overlooking the science in a fantasy movie. I don't want to sacrifice my enjoyment of the movie due to microscope analysis. However, one thing IS bothering me every time I view it and that is the fact that Snoke's body should NOT have been severed in half. The light saber ran him through from the side and middle of his torso then was pulled forward. It should not have been a clean sever. The defeat of Darth Maul was logistically a clean sever. Logistically, Snoke's death should not have been being that the saber never made a complete swipe all the way through from one side to the other.
     
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    http://www.slashfilm.com/snoke-episode-9/

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...-year-possibility-bringing-snoke-back-1088603
     
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    This is going to sound like the reach of all reaches, but it's something that I thought about too. I just came to the conclusion (and probably excuse) that since Snoke is so old, his skin is very, very fragile. When he falls forward the top half of his body is literally ripped from the bottom half because the brittle skin can't hold the dead weight.
     
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    Maybe before Kylo force pulled the LS to Rey he pushed it 2 inches to finish off the back of Snoke then sever the front with a pull.....
    ahahaaaaaaa.....
     
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    Yes. And I didn't mean Snoke's death should not have been. It very much should have been and since I made this comment, I've thought about the extreme heat of a lightsaber blade. It most definitely would have severed him. Rspecially being that it sat there for a moment burning his torso to a crisp. Your very right. It was an unthought out statement. Thank you for bringing my post back to my attention. Heck was I thinking?
     
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    The reason why I wanted Snoke to be Plagueis was simply because if he was the father of Anakin, then Anakin was NOT conceived by the will of the force but by an evil man then the chosen one cannot actually exist. So the skywalker bloodline isn’t a royal one but just a family with some gifted force users, plagued by the notion of evil rooted in their creator. oh well

    Snoke, is now just a generic CGI guy. when a guy in a movie says “I cannot be betrayed,” then it’s like duh he’s going to be betrayed, Sigh.
     
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    Andy Serkis: "[My reaction to finding out about Snoke's death was that] it was a bit of a shock, but I could see exactly why they were going that route, and I think it was a huge surprise in the middle of the film. But I really loved the scene where Rey plays with Snoke. That scene was a fantastic. I just wish he'd survived, but who knows?" (December 13, 2018)
     
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