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SPECULATION One KOR as the main villain

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by NinjaRen, Jan 31, 2018.

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    The Knights of Ren. Mysterious and badass looking.
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    Many of us probably want to see and learn more about this group of warriors. So far the ST and the new canon didn't give us much information about them.
    We only know a few things: they were already established before Kylo Ren joined them and he is their master. In TLJ it was also heavly implied that some of Luke's students joined Ben Solo during the Jedi Temple massacre. So these few students could also be part of the KOR.

    I shall now come to my actual point: the villains for EPIX. For my part I hope we get three main villains. => Kylo Ren, Hux and one of the KOR.

    Kylo and Hux are probably a given. Kylo will try to hunt down Rey, while Hux will do the same with the Resistance. Their relationship should be a huge part of the next movie.

    But why do we need another villain you may ask? It's simple: We "need" a villain for Kylo Ren (and for Finn). Yes, Hux will probably try to get rid off Ren, but I don’t think the General is much of a threat for Ren, especially not physically. Ren has a big advantage: the force.

    So enter the KOR. They have a bigger number and could also be FS. They would be the perfect threat for the new Supreme Leader. But why would they attack their own master? First of all I don't think Ren will be a good master, and secondly Ren is mentally instable.

    One KOR (yes, only one) will notice this and try to turn on Ren. Like Ben once did with Luke.
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    This one KOR should get humanized very early in the movie (maybe give all the KOR a face, but focus only on one specific KOR).
    Maybe this one KOR is a former student of Luke - in my head canon it's a woman who was also a very good friend for Ben - who questions Kylo's ways of doing things. This one kinda looks like a female knight to me:
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    Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want this KOR or generally all KOR as heroes and they also shouldn't be too much of a part in EPIX. No, I just want them to question Kylo's inner conflict between light and darkness and his compession for Rey. Furthermore we also need a fight for Kylo. At first it may be Kylo vs Rey, but then it's Ben and Rey vs the KOR. You could compare this fight with the one against the Praetorian Guards in TLJ.
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    another way this could work is if Ben calls them back to re-purpose or disband them.
    from what we know, the KOR are acolytes of the Sith.

    Ben named the Sith in his "let it all die" speech.
    we also know he's self-conscious (maybe even turned off) from his affiliation with grandpa because of the fishy-eyed toilet monster's chastisement.

    so they may find in him a traitor and adversary as well.
     
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    You know what would be cool? Kylo is with his knights on Mustafar in Vader's castle, the most Sith place you could ever go to. But there Ren is questioning the Sith and his grandfather. His fellow knights wouldn't be pleased.
     
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    I think the main villain has to be Kylo Ren (or Snoke, if he's not dead yet). I'd hate to have a completely new character top cap off the baddies of the trilogy.

    That being said, I would love to have the KOR in the film as lesser villains. We could probably see them fulfill a role similar to the Praetorians in TLJ- though maybe this time Rey is fighting against Kylo Ren, too. We've never seen a single Jedi take on multiple saber-armed enemies, if anything it's usually the other way around.
     
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    This.
     
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    Knights of Ren are going to be cool as a collective villain, but I don't think making one of them the main villain would match the epic scale of IX. And I want KoR to remain as faceless as possible, no humanisation. Basically just really badass henchmen. I wish they remained mysterious.

    I would love to have them vs Kylo as the climactic fight (if he turns), but full-on Rey vs Kylo is much more likely when it comes to the big duel of the film. Kylo and Rey vs KoR would be great, but I think that's too similar to the Praetorian fight and I guess the filmmakers would want to avoid the similarity (I wouldn't complain, though).
     
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    Treat them almost like the Black Riders from LOTR
     
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    For me, Kylo is the main villain. The Knights of Ren are his hammer to break the wheel.
     
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    I like that analogy! In terms of presence - absolutely. But I'd push their role a bit. Make all of them like the Witch-king. ;)
     
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    I've already brought this up in another thread a while ago. For me the KOR should have the same role as King Arthur's knights. But I also like the comparison with LOTR.
     
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    Not to put words in your mouth, but is this the difference (other than the obvious good/bad clash)?-

    Nazgul work often in a group, or in groups. Rarely seen alone (at least in the films.

    Arthurian knights often break off into their own quests, working alone or with underlings.

    Because if we'd had the KoR for the full trilogy then the Arthurian model would've been great. But I think EpIX will already be pretty crowded without giving the KoR much individuality.

    Or did I completely misunderstand the analogy? :p
     
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    I like both ideas even though they are very different. The Arthurian structure suits more my idea of having one KOR has a side villain, while the LOTR comparison is more fitting for all the KOR being villains. The last one is much more likely btw.
     
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    I think Kylo will train even more KOR's and we could see massive battles against Rey and her Jedi.
     
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    I guess it ultimately comes to- do we want the KoR to be encountered multiple times in the film, individually? Or do we want another big "Throne Room" scene?

    I agree, I'd really be down for either. The former is probably more original for Star Wars, but I find it hard to argue against more of that Throne Room business other than maybe it'd be derivative at this point.
     
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    A training scene must definitely happen! I didn't get it in TLJ...

    I want multiple encounters. For example at the beginning of the movie we see a training scene with the KOR on Mustafar at Vader's castle. Later on some KOR are hunting down Finn or Rey and finally we get a big fight at the end of the movie. Something like that.
     
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    I hope KR haves a "something" with the female Knight. I'm sure 1 is female. I just dont want the Skywalkers 2 die off.
     
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    What if this female knight is Luke's daughter? Haha! No... Kylo Ren is the only Skywalker offspring.
     
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    The main villain should be the war machine. Kylo wants to end everything once and for all. One idea is that the Knight of Ren are some Luke's former students. Sometime during IX Ben Solo is redeemed and he realizes the death of the military complex that started during the Clone Wars is the only way to bring peace. Rey and the Jedi are pacifists who protect the galaxy. They're not military warriors. If Ben Solo comes back he would be at odds with the First Order leadership and with remember of the Knights of Ren.

    That could set up a final battle between the Knight of Ren who side with Ben and the those that are loyal to the First Order.
     
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