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"One of Abrams and Kasdan’s masterstrokes"—tantalizing spoiler on the state of the galaxy

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by WeWhoSurvived, Dec 16, 2015.

  1. Fussel2107

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    Each of the Republican worlds retains a home fleet.

    The fleet of the Republic was actually nothing but a core, meant to defend the senate until the military of the worlds could be mobilized, or to deal with threats from single worlds.

    But this is gone now, nothing but a bunch of singular systems. Each with a military. Each with their own rulers.

    And nothing to hold them together.

    That can go one of two ways:

    Total civil war with systems trying to take over other systems, trying to force them on their side.
    This is especially likely with the FO and Empire Sympathizers.

    Or a complete restart.
    Not all senators will have been in Hosnian prime. The files will have been stored on the holonet. They can start over.

    Leia at the end of TFA wore a formal gown, hairstyle and everything.

    I am surprised how few have commented on that yet, but this is not a general's attire.

    Leia was born and raised a princess and a diplomat. If someone is qualified to even try and stabilize the Republic it will be her.
     
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    Leia was not born a princess. She was born on Polis Massa, not Alderaan. She was adopted by Bail Organa and Queen Breha and was given the title of princess of Alderaan.
     
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    *cure eye role*
    I know that.

    Technically though, her mother had been the Queen of Naboo at some point.

    Which doesn't say much, since Naboo has elective royalty, but hey... technically.


    But I think the difference between being raised a princess from age 1 week to one day is rather miniscule.
    It doesn't change the fact: still uniquely qualified.
     
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    It is Poe (not Leia) who says that Finn is familiar with the weapon that destroyed the Hosnian system. That is the only line in the movie where the name of the system is mentioned.

    In his speech to the troops, Hux says that the other remaining systems will bow to the First Order after the Senate and the Republic's fleet are destroyed. That implies there are other neutral systems in the galaxy besides the systems that are part of the Republic or under the control of the First Order.

    It would be cool if Benicio del Toro's character in Episode VIII were the leader of one of those "third-party" powers, but we have no clue yet what his role will actually be.
    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 30, 2015, Original Post Date: Dec 30, 2015 ---
    That scene was included as proof that the fleet was indeed destroyed. It is still possible though that part of the fleet was deployed at that particular time elsewhere out of the Hosnian system. We don't know either how long it would take for the Republic to rebuild the fleet (think for example of the US losing the Pacific fleet in the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and bouncing back less than a year later). The destruction of the Hosnian system means though that the Republic lost its government, its state bureaucracy/civil service and possibly considerable industrial resources, in addition to the fleet itself. I don't see any quick rebound then.
     
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    So, haveing lost faith in the the system, and feeling the need to start the resistance, which is still up and running and was the victors not the victims of the star killer base, she will now leave all that at the age of 65 and start all over with the exact thing she lost faith in to begin with!?

    Please explain this more...
     
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    The Republic is destroyed.
    Leia may have lost faith in it, yes, but she still will not leave civilians defenseless with the threat of FO and civil war hanging over their heads.
    She surely did not start the Resistance to buffer her own ego.
    Leia has always been someone who fought to protect.
     
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    ? I understand leaving some stuff for mystery like who Snoke is and what he wants but come on JJ should have given us the basics of how the Galaxy shakesup....
     
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    Thanks, dude. I think it'd be a mistake to not have any significant force of Republic capital ships in future episodes. There's got to be more of a Republic fleet elsewhere in the galaxy, particularly Coruscant, Corellia, Chandrila, Mon Cal, etc. And with the Hosnian System decimated, chances are the Republic will kick their military funding into gear to survive ... and there are likely political machinations going on from the inside, as well. The First Order is spreading. There will be a lot more Star Wars to come. Plus, all we saw in TFA are X-wings and TIE fighters. No new fighters. And we know the concept art was there for them. I'd like to think they decided to wait to introduce new ships for later episodes. Including new capital ships on both sides (or all sides, if there's >2 militaries).
     
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    Not including a bit more political information in the film was one of its small flaws. But its also ironic that people want more politics after screaming bloody murder about it in the PT. In the end, the film was about the characters not the larger political ramifications. We barely got much info about the politics in ANH too.
     
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    I wanna know!!!
     
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    *Plinket Emperor impression*:
    "You do not need to know who I am or where I'm broadcasting this hologram from!"
     
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    I'm quoting WeWhoSurvived below because I like a lot of the points made. While I agree with you for the most part on leia's character, I think she MAY go where she's needed, but I don't think she'll start over. I think she stays with the resistance. Hell, she's feisty enough, maybe the republic backs her in the resistance so she stays out of their hair in the republic and the senate!

     
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    As stated before, when Monmothma fleshes out the new Republic, she significantly decreases the military size, giving a lot of autonomy back to the planetary systems.

    These fleets are of course still active.
    It’s only the core Republican fleet that was destroyed


    I also am pretty sure that we won't actually see a divided Resistance / Republic anymore
     
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