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(Opinion) Rogue One is peak Star Wars and a brilliant prequel to the OT.

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by MandoChip, Feb 15, 2019.

  1. Rodney-2187

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    I love Rogue One. A very interesting group of characters portrayed by an excellent cast. A great story that fits perfectly with and enhances the Original Trilogy.

    When I was a kid playing with Star Wars toys, what you see in Rogue One is the kind of story in my head. It's like someone took my childhood imagination and put it on the big screen.

    Are the digital cameos perfect? Of course not, but I applaud the effort. I am amazed at how great a job they did and can't imagine what they will be able to do in a few more years.

    I can't wait for thar Cassian Andor series!
     
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    By far the most re watched of the Disney films in my house, with Solo being second. I love Rogue One.

    With the castle scenes, the end makes perfect sense.... we first see Darth Vader... recovering... then we see Darth Vader, Darth Vadering. As a fan, it pains me to say that Maul force pulling and firing up his saber was definitely over the top. I would have preferred a nice, slight force choke... but I'm certain that SJW's would have gone off the rails about the devil-man choking a female gangster. So, we got the saber instead.


    Meh, he was always arrogant so I guess it works...
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    THIS.
     
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    RO was one of the best experiences that I had in the cinemas with a SW movie.

    I loved the CGI Tarkin and specially Leia in the end.

    This movie mix some good new characters with some classic characters and at the end the result was great.
     
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    I thought from a feel standpoint that R1 was the most "Star Wars-y" of the Disney-era films -- that despite TFA being a beat-by-beat remake of ANH. Although we weren't familiar with the new characters, they felt (to me) to fit seamlessly alongside those we knew. Is it a perfect movie? Of course not, but man it really scratched my itch ... the smile on my face when I left the theater couldn't have been any bigger!
     
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    Agreed. Rogue One felt like a true love letter and celebration of the franchise that wasn't just a retread of the "greatest hits" like TFA was. It's my favorite Disney era film, although I really enjoyed Solo too. To me, Rogue One (along with Solo and Rebels) have been some of the best Star Wars since Disney bought the franchise. It makes me sad that we won't be getting any more stand alone's for a while because I think they've been better than the "saga" films so far.
     
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    I think what I love about Rogue One is how it, along with Solo to a slightly lesser extent, shows what Star Wars really is.

    There's a lot of focus on the Jedi and Sith in most everything Star Wars, but sometimes it's a lot of fun to see things from a more "boots wet" perspective. Having grown up playing the original Battlefront, hosting big battles between my Han Solo and Boba Fett action figures on the dirt pile behind my house, and lining up armies of clone and droid LEGOs to fight each other, I've always viewed the Jedi as supplementary to the Star Wars world. Undeniably cool, but not the end all be all.

    Rogue One showed this so well. The drama, the battle, everything just clicked so well by the end. Granted, Vader did show up, and it was awesome... but I would've been happy with the movie either way. In fact, I'd argue that Krennic was a far better addition to the film as a villain, anyway.
     
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    What a great thread I have a lot of love for R1 , I will be back on here tonight with a longer post. Suffice it to say this old grizzled military veteran loved that they dedicated a SW movie to the grunt Infantry!!!!
     
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    R1 was groundbreaking as far as SW movies......love the look, feel, and grittiness. The focus on teamwork and courage and sacrifice for the mission. It looked and felt like any of a number of my favorite war movies, especially WWII. Had a "Dirty Dozen" feel to the Rebel Special Forces, and love the focus on Andor and his troops. Love how they felt they needed to come together for the Scarif mission to atone for all the questionable things they had done over their careers as special forces/spies/assassins. The importance of getting those plans above ALL personal agendas.

    There is an element of grim desperation as the Rebel Special Forces understand the magnitude of just what they are about to do.....sneak onto a massive Imperial base and attempt to steal something they barely know anything about, or where it is exactly on Scarif. They know there is a very good chance they will not survive this mission, you can see it in their eyes as Jyn/Cassian give them the mission brief on the shuttle as they approach. This scene gives me goosebumps every time I see it and is so stirring....."Make 10 men feel like a hundred".....amazing! If you saw the movie 13 Hours you see a lot of similarity to what those guys did in Benghazi....

    Overall one of my fave SW movies, and actually fave ANY movies of all time....
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    I just adore this film! I have it as my 3rd favourite Star Wars film.

    I’ve watched it at least once a month since it was released, and I’m in no way bored of it or has it lost and if it’s magic.

    I also find my love for this film a little Strange as what I love most about Star Wars is the force and Jedi/Sith. This has very little of any of that and yet it has some of my favourite Star Wars character and scenes of all time.

    It’s just such a great film.
     
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    @Mosley909 and here I thought I was the biggest R1 fan.....looks like I need to re-assess this conclusion!!! I have R1 on my laptop hard drive and while I haven’t watched the whole movie as much as you I admit I must have seen the 3rd act about 50-75 times......anyway it is great to meet someone as passionate as I about the movie that puts WARS in Star Wars!!!
     
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    Weirdly its the 1st act that I love the most, not that I don't love the 3rd, act I do, and the second act for that matter!
    But its the way the first act pulls you into this world and sets up this story is just so engaging.
     
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    Yes why I think The Saga Films are better than it
     
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    For me, R1 becomes excellent from the point where Jynn watches the recording of her father. Before that, unfortunately, I find that it's a bit of a jumbled mess, hopping around from planet to planet too frequently, and tossing too many characters at us before we get a chance to care about any one of them. I think that TFA, by comparison, does a much better job of introducing all the main characters in a way that allows us some time to get to know and care about them.
    But when Jynn watches the recording of her father, I start to care about her, and from that point on, the flow of the movie improves drastically, feeling much more coherent and less cobbled together. The final third of the film is among the best of any in the franchise.
     
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    Rogue One is made as a standalone "Anthology" film that tells its own story. But there is no explanantion of who the Rebels and Empire and other characters actually are and what they are doing. It seems the writers made this film specifically for existing fans, but forgot to explain what is going on to people who have never seen Star Wars before. Unfortunately, you NEED to have seen the other Star Wars films to understand what Rogue One is all about. It feels like an expensive fan made film, made for existing fans who already know what is going on in this time in the galaxy.

    Too many big name actors and actresses making short appearances, not contributing much to the story and hired just to attract their own fan audiences.

    Jyn Erso is not a strong or believable character, she seems too young and naive. I feel that the role could have been played better by a more skilled and older actress with a lower social class. She's too middle class and her dialect is too "posh" for the character.

    The Darth Vader scene at the film's conclusion is not necessary and is out of tone and context with the begiinning of ANH. Its an exciting scene, but it done naively and clumsily and doesn't "fit" with ANH.

    James Earl Jones is over 40 years older than he was when he originally voiced Darth Vader for ANH. And it tells. Despite the near-identical timeline of the two films, James Earl Jones voice sounds far too elderly for the time period that Rogue One is in. Maybe with more editing and processing, it would match better.

    These are problems with Rogue One that prevent me from saying its a good film. Its only average in my opinion, and not in my top 5 Star Wars film ratings list.
     
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    I dont think that is JEJ fault, in Lion King his voice sounds incredible powerful still, just a tiny bit deeper.
    Another example in the 14 years old Revenge of the Sith, he still has "the voice".
    So I believe they just f'ed up the mixing or the mic was garbage.
     
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    Blasphemous.... that's like saying they should've replaced Hamill, Fisher, and Ford for the ST... how dare you?!?! What???... the gall... Timeline... ludicrous :eek:
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    I didn't say replace him. Read my post again. I said more editing and processing his voice might have made JEJ's voice sound closer to his original performance,
     
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    So much of what you said I disagree with....here is why....

    Not sure how much "pre-explanation" you can possibly do to set up and explain a movie to someone brand new to the Universe the movie is set in. Do we need some sort of 30-45 minute documentary lead-in on the background of the GFFA at the time of R1? If you were brand new to SW and saw R1 I do believe from the settings, dialog and appearance of the characters you are able to set up what is happening and why. The story of Galen Urso is set up from the first scene, a newcomer would understand that Krennic is from an evil group.

    Jyn Erso was very strong and believable, I do not take into account an actor's "dialect" when determining their performance. Not sure what her dialect has to do with anything, actually. For the first time since Anakin Skywalker, we saw the complete arc of a character from childhood, never done before. Not sure what the "social class" of an actor has to do with this argument, at all.

    Darth Vader scene absolutely fit in with the movie, the tone of the movie is very grim and dark, with self sacrifice of the characters left and right to attain the plans and complete the mission.....not sure how a very grim and dark scene with Vader in the hallway does not fit in with a grim and dark movie. I find nothing, zero, about the Vader scene "naively" done.

    JEJ's voice was fine, I found nothing evident about his voice being "elderly".
     
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    I whole-heartedly agree with OP. So much so that I can only say, "Me too." This is the one Disney movie that really does it for me.

    As for the criticism that its setting is not well-explained, I'd say explaining it to the audience at this stage would bore 99% of us to tears. When I saw R1 in the theater, everyone in the audience seemed to have seen all the other SW films at least twice. The ending would be meaningless without context. The OT provided the context. So, no problem there as far as I'm concerned. But my question is this: With all the writiers who took a whack at the script and were then sent home, who deserves the credit? Tony Gilroy?
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    JEJ made the OT go. Those little touches of humor from the dark lord. He was just brilliant.
     
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    I agree with the OP, that Rogue One was a peak Star Wars movie. But there are two main flaws in to it: First it somewhat messes up the setting of the Rebel Alliance in the original trilogy by picturing the Rebellion far more advanced than it was in the New Hope. I always saw the growth of the the Rebellion during the original series as interesting back story; at the start they only have some old fighters and blockade runners, unable to really go head to head with the Empire (evident with the chase of Tantive IV) when in the Empire they are already more uniformed and larger force able to fight Imperial ground forces and having the somewhat larger fleet they fall back to after losing Hoth. At the Return of the Jedi they have grown in to a truly fighting force with ships able to take on Star Destroyers. Now with the Rogue One they have all that in the beginning, including the Mon Calamari who I always pictured coming into the rebellion between the Eps V and VI. Now it doesn't make sense that all that was kind of dormant for the period between Battles of Scarif and Endor. It however provided one of the greatest space battles.

    The second flaw is that it is way much more Star Wars and creative than the sequels. It kind of feels that all the creativity and new stuff was poured in to the Rogue One movie where it doesn't make sense regarding the Original Trilogy, when it should have been put in to use in the sequels instead of plain nostalgia tripping.
     
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